Village green plan to save Shoebury Common

Hands off - Peter Grubb and Ray Bailey, of the Friends of Shoebury Common

Hands off - Peter Grubb and Ray Bailey, of the Friends of Shoebury Common

First published in South Essex news by

CAMPAIGNERS hope to finally stop any future plans for a seawall at Shoebury Common by trying to register the land as a village green.

The Friends of Shoebury Common, which fought plans to build a 7ft seawall to protect homes from flooding, has applied for the status to stop the seawall plan for good and to prevent the north side of the common being sold for development.

The application is being considered by Southend Council, which was behind the seawall plan.

That has been put on hold by the new administration.

Peter Grubb, owner of Uncle Tom’s Cabin on the common, said the group had applied for the status months ago.

He said: “It is wonderful news but why has Southend Council sat on the application for 11 months?

“Had this been considered at the time the seawall was given planning permission, it would have stopped it in its tracks.

“The reasonwe applied for village green status is because the council failed to register it as a common years ago.

“It is designated as public open space and could be built on if the local authority grants permission.

“You can get village green status if you can prove the land has been used by people for pleasure and gatherings for 20 years and we can certainly do that.”

The council’s new administration is looking at alternatives to the controversial plans for a £5.18million Shoebury Common Beach seawall, which would have been built using 44,000 tonnes of soil displaced by earthslips on Southend cliffs.

Martin Terry, councillor responsible for public protection, said: “Southend Council has received an application from the Friends of Shoebury Common for the common, which is owned by the council, to be designated as a village green.

“The council needs to advertise the application and anyone who wishes to object has until Tuesday, October 14, 2014.

“The council will then decide whether the land should be registered in accordance with the Commons Act 2006 and a public inquiry may be held to assist with this determination.

“In determining the application the council will be acting as the registration authority and not as the landowner.”

Objections should be sent in writing to the council’s committee section by email at committee section@southend.gov.uk or by sending any objection to the civic centre.

 WHAT THE LAW SAYS...

THE Growth and Infrastructure Act 2013 made a number of significant changes to the law on registering new town and village greens under the Commons Act 2006.

Town and village greens developed under customary law as areas of land where local people indulged in lawful sports and pastimes.

These might include organised or ad-hoc games, picnics, fetes and similar activities.

Most greens were registered in the late Sixties under the Commons Registration Act 1965.

Anyone can apply to register land as a green if it has been used by local people for lawful sports and pastimes for at least 20 years.

Land which is registered as a village green must be kept open and available for recreational use by the public.

Minor works of construction are allowed on the land, such as the building of public toilets, however these will usually require consent from the secretary of state.

A village green cannot be developed on or redeveloped unless alternative land is offered up in exchange.

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5:03pm Wed 3 Sep 14

FapFappington says...

Of course they are against it, they will be long-gone when the place is underwater
Of course they are against it, they will be long-gone when the place is underwater FapFappington
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5:17pm Wed 3 Sep 14

Sensible Man says...

Good Luck to them - hopefully any stupid filth who are opposed will be defeated in line with the filth that they are.

STOP THE FAT-CAT FILTHY STINKING DEVELOPERS!!!

Protect the Green Belt and Coast Line against money-grabbing stinking greedy filth!!!!
Good Luck to them - hopefully any stupid filth who are opposed will be defeated in line with the filth that they are. STOP THE FAT-CAT FILTHY STINKING DEVELOPERS!!! Protect the Green Belt and Coast Line against money-grabbing stinking greedy filth!!!! Sensible Man
  • Score: -10

6:18pm Wed 3 Sep 14

scrounger‎ says...

I believe they need to build this wall to get rid of all the soil they took out of the cliffs in readiness for the new museum.
I believe they need to build this wall to get rid of all the soil they took out of the cliffs in readiness for the new museum. scrounger‎
  • Score: 2

6:56pm Wed 3 Sep 14

Kim Gandy says...

Sensible Man wrote:
Good Luck to them - hopefully any stupid filth who are opposed will be defeated in line with the filth that they are.

STOP THE FAT-CAT FILTHY STINKING DEVELOPERS!!!

Protect the Green Belt and Coast Line against money-grabbing stinking greedy filth!!!!
Well actually I'm all for anything that derails the brown envelope brigade myself.
[quote][p][bold]Sensible Man[/bold] wrote: Good Luck to them - hopefully any stupid filth who are opposed will be defeated in line with the filth that they are. STOP THE FAT-CAT FILTHY STINKING DEVELOPERS!!! Protect the Green Belt and Coast Line against money-grabbing stinking greedy filth!!!![/p][/quote]Well actually I'm all for anything that derails the brown envelope brigade myself. Kim Gandy
  • Score: 0

7:41pm Wed 3 Sep 14

the25man says...

If the wall isn't built I hope there homes get flooded and nobody else's
If the wall isn't built I hope there homes get flooded and nobody else's the25man
  • Score: 4

7:54pm Wed 3 Sep 14

John Bull 40 says...

Sensible Man wrote:
Good Luck to them - hopefully any stupid filth who are opposed will be defeated in line with the filth that they are.

STOP THE FAT-CAT FILTHY STINKING DEVELOPERS!!!

Protect the Green Belt and Coast Line against money-grabbing stinking greedy filth!!!!
"Sensible Man" ? More like raving idiot it seems. will this mean free
parking on the common, or will there be no parking now?
[quote][p][bold]Sensible Man[/bold] wrote: Good Luck to them - hopefully any stupid filth who are opposed will be defeated in line with the filth that they are. STOP THE FAT-CAT FILTHY STINKING DEVELOPERS!!! Protect the Green Belt and Coast Line against money-grabbing stinking greedy filth!!!![/p][/quote]"Sensible Man" ? More like raving idiot it seems. will this mean free parking on the common, or will there be no parking now? John Bull 40
  • Score: 4

8:10pm Wed 3 Sep 14

Sensible Man says...

And yet these stupid stupid councils approve endless shoebpx filth development due to that oh-so-secret massive immigration of which we must not talk. Thank you Labour and Tony Blair for your deliberate aim to change the entire demographic of this tiny island - you and your Labour friends are - indeed - stinking stinking immigration-loving left-wing filth. Hope you reap the stupid filth that you have sown.

Labour (think Rotherham) are - indeed stupid stupid filth. If anyone on here is - seriously - still stupid enough to consider voting Labour please come on and explain why?? Do you seriously love the vomit-inducing Blair / Milliband filth scenario?? If so -pardon me while I puke. THANK YOU LEFT-WING FILTH!!!!

AND - as we are deemed too Juvenile by the Echo to comment on "Traveller" stories - can one of the brainless moron left- wing filth regulars on here possibly seek to defend the filthy stinking behaviour that took place on Sunday??

Surely even LastLaugh will keep his brainless garbage gob closed. Or does he seriously support theses disgusting people>>>>
And yet these stupid stupid councils approve endless shoebpx filth development due to that oh-so-secret massive immigration of which we must not talk. Thank you Labour and Tony Blair for your deliberate aim to change the entire demographic of this tiny island - you and your Labour friends are - indeed - stinking stinking immigration-loving left-wing filth. Hope you reap the stupid filth that you have sown. Labour (think Rotherham) are - indeed stupid stupid filth. If anyone on here is - seriously - still stupid enough to consider voting Labour please come on and explain why?? Do you seriously love the vomit-inducing Blair / Milliband filth scenario?? If so -pardon me while I puke. THANK YOU LEFT-WING FILTH!!!! AND - as we are deemed too Juvenile by the Echo to comment on "Traveller" stories - can one of the brainless moron left- wing filth regulars on here possibly seek to defend the filthy stinking behaviour that took place on Sunday?? Surely even LastLaugh will keep his brainless garbage gob closed. Or does he seriously support theses disgusting people>>>> Sensible Man
  • Score: -6

9:15pm Wed 3 Sep 14

Now listen for I have something to say says...

This common land can never or will ever become a village green, as it is less than 50 metres from the tidal mouth of the river Thames, it has been proven, that due to global warming, tidal surges will without doubt, flood this low lying area of land.
As such the proposed sea wall will be built, these small hurdles, placed by a few luddites represent the freedoms allowed in out democracy, however they are only minor hurdles of which will be stepped over, and the wall will be built.
This common land can never or will ever become a village green, as it is less than 50 metres from the tidal mouth of the river Thames, it has been proven, that due to global warming, tidal surges will without doubt, flood this low lying area of land. As such the proposed sea wall will be built, these small hurdles, placed by a few luddites represent the freedoms allowed in out democracy, however they are only minor hurdles of which will be stepped over, and the wall will be built. Now listen for I have something to say
  • Score: 0

11:57pm Wed 3 Sep 14

ORACUS says...

Sensible Man wrote:
And yet these stupid stupid councils approve endless shoebpx filth development due to that oh-so-secret massive immigration of which we must not talk. Thank you Labour and Tony Blair for your deliberate aim to change the entire demographic of this tiny island - you and your Labour friends are - indeed - stinking stinking immigration-loving left-wing filth. Hope you reap the stupid filth that you have sown.

Labour (think Rotherham) are - indeed stupid stupid filth. If anyone on here is - seriously - still stupid enough to consider voting Labour please come on and explain why?? Do you seriously love the vomit-inducing Blair / Milliband filth scenario?? If so -pardon me while I puke. THANK YOU LEFT-WING FILTH!!!!

AND - as we are deemed too Juvenile by the Echo to comment on "Traveller" stories - can one of the brainless moron left- wing filth regulars on here possibly seek to defend the filthy stinking behaviour that took place on Sunday??

Surely even LastLaugh will keep his brainless garbage gob closed. Or does he seriously support theses disgusting people>>>&g
t;
Yeah I’ve just been watching a TV program where they was trying to buy a thirteen year old girl for £5000 to be married under age and obviously raped disgusting filth.
[quote][p][bold]Sensible Man[/bold] wrote: And yet these stupid stupid councils approve endless shoebpx filth development due to that oh-so-secret massive immigration of which we must not talk. Thank you Labour and Tony Blair for your deliberate aim to change the entire demographic of this tiny island - you and your Labour friends are - indeed - stinking stinking immigration-loving left-wing filth. Hope you reap the stupid filth that you have sown. Labour (think Rotherham) are - indeed stupid stupid filth. If anyone on here is - seriously - still stupid enough to consider voting Labour please come on and explain why?? Do you seriously love the vomit-inducing Blair / Milliband filth scenario?? If so -pardon me while I puke. THANK YOU LEFT-WING FILTH!!!! AND - as we are deemed too Juvenile by the Echo to comment on "Traveller" stories - can one of the brainless moron left- wing filth regulars on here possibly seek to defend the filthy stinking behaviour that took place on Sunday?? Surely even LastLaugh will keep his brainless garbage gob closed. Or does he seriously support theses disgusting people>>>&g t;[/p][/quote]Yeah I’ve just been watching a TV program where they was trying to buy a thirteen year old girl for £5000 to be married under age and obviously raped disgusting filth. ORACUS
  • Score: 1

6:06am Thu 4 Sep 14

Keptquiettillnow says...

Sensible Man wrote:
Good Luck to them - hopefully any stupid filth who are opposed will be defeated in line with the filth that they are.

STOP THE FAT-CAT FILTHY STINKING DEVELOPERS!!!

Protect the Green Belt and Coast Line against money-grabbing stinking greedy filth!!!!
As far as Gunners Park is concerned its a little bit to late now. What was a lovely park is now gone, and whats left has been taken over by dog walkers and the mess they leave behind.
[quote][p][bold]Sensible Man[/bold] wrote: Good Luck to them - hopefully any stupid filth who are opposed will be defeated in line with the filth that they are. STOP THE FAT-CAT FILTHY STINKING DEVELOPERS!!! Protect the Green Belt and Coast Line against money-grabbing stinking greedy filth!!!![/p][/quote]As far as Gunners Park is concerned its a little bit to late now. What was a lovely park is now gone, and whats left has been taken over by dog walkers and the mess they leave behind. Keptquiettillnow
  • Score: 3

12:18pm Thu 4 Sep 14

Shoebury Shrimper says...

the25man wrote:
If the wall isn't built I hope there homes get flooded and nobody else's
The campaigners from Friends of Shoebury Common will not have their homes flooded as they do not live in the flood risk area! They are residents of Leitrim Avenue and the Burges estate. They are not interested in the fate of those of us who live in the at risk area of Shoeburyness. They are typical NIMBYS with their own selfish agenda.
[quote][p][bold]the25man[/bold] wrote: If the wall isn't built I hope there homes get flooded and nobody else's[/p][/quote]The campaigners from Friends of Shoebury Common will not have their homes flooded as they do not live in the flood risk area! They are residents of Leitrim Avenue and the Burges estate. They are not interested in the fate of those of us who live in the at risk area of Shoeburyness. They are typical NIMBYS with their own selfish agenda. Shoebury Shrimper
  • Score: -2

12:56pm Thu 4 Sep 14

Democrat says...

CAMPAIGNERS hope to finally stop any future plans for a seawall at Shoebury Common by trying to register the land as a village green. - WHY??? Have they read the research and done the science?
CAMPAIGNERS hope to finally stop any future plans for a seawall at Shoebury Common by trying to register the land as a village green. - WHY??? Have they read the research and done the science? Democrat
  • Score: -3

12:58pm Thu 4 Sep 14

Democrat says...

Sensible Man wrote:
Good Luck to them - hopefully any stupid filth who are opposed will be defeated in line with the filth that they are.

STOP THE FAT-CAT FILTHY STINKING DEVELOPERS!!!

Protect the Green Belt and Coast Line against money-grabbing stinking greedy filth!!!!
This is a serious situation that can affect many people, not a playground for 'filth' - minded individual trolls like Sensible Man.

For goodness sake grow up!
[quote][p][bold]Sensible Man[/bold] wrote: Good Luck to them - hopefully any stupid filth who are opposed will be defeated in line with the filth that they are. STOP THE FAT-CAT FILTHY STINKING DEVELOPERS!!! Protect the Green Belt and Coast Line against money-grabbing stinking greedy filth!!!![/p][/quote]This is a serious situation that can affect many people, not a playground for 'filth' - minded individual trolls like Sensible Man. For goodness sake grow up! Democrat
  • Score: 1

3:44pm Thu 4 Sep 14

ORACUS says...

Democrat wrote:
CAMPAIGNERS hope to finally stop any future plans for a seawall at Shoebury Common by trying to register the land as a village green. - WHY??? Have they read the research and done the science?
I would imagine like myself they have clearly you have not why do you want Shoebury to flood?
[quote][p][bold]Democrat[/bold] wrote: CAMPAIGNERS hope to finally stop any future plans for a seawall at Shoebury Common by trying to register the land as a village green. - WHY??? Have they read the research and done the science?[/p][/quote]I would imagine like myself they have clearly you have not why do you want Shoebury to flood? ORACUS
  • Score: 0

4:15pm Thu 4 Sep 14

Democrat says...

ORACUS wrote:
Democrat wrote:
CAMPAIGNERS hope to finally stop any future plans for a seawall at Shoebury Common by trying to register the land as a village green. - WHY??? Have they read the research and done the science?
I would imagine like myself they have clearly you have not why do you want Shoebury to flood?
It is OK ORACUS, don't apologise, I forgive you. I have read the research and reports and I know the science, and that is why both my comments today are in FAVOUR of a seawall. Perhaps you will do me the courtesy of reading the article and quotes again please?

CAMPAIGNERS hope to finally stop any future plans for a seawall at Shoebury Common by trying to register the land as a village green.
[quote][p][bold]ORACUS[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Democrat[/bold] wrote: CAMPAIGNERS hope to finally stop any future plans for a seawall at Shoebury Common by trying to register the land as a village green. - WHY??? Have they read the research and done the science?[/p][/quote]I would imagine like myself they have clearly you have not why do you want Shoebury to flood?[/p][/quote]It is OK ORACUS, don't apologise, I forgive you. I have read the research and reports and I know the science, and that is why both my comments today are in FAVOUR of a seawall. Perhaps you will do me the courtesy of reading the article and quotes again please? CAMPAIGNERS hope to finally stop any future plans for a seawall at Shoebury Common by trying to register the land as a village green. Democrat
  • Score: -1

4:33pm Thu 4 Sep 14

ORACUS says...

Democrat wrote:
ORACUS wrote:
Democrat wrote:
CAMPAIGNERS hope to finally stop any future plans for a seawall at Shoebury Common by trying to register the land as a village green. - WHY??? Have they read the research and done the science?
I would imagine like myself they have clearly you have not why do you want Shoebury to flood?
It is OK ORACUS, don't apologise, I forgive you. I have read the research and reports and I know the science, and that is why both my comments today are in FAVOUR of a seawall. Perhaps you will do me the courtesy of reading the article and quotes again please?

CAMPAIGNERS hope to finally stop any future plans for a seawall at Shoebury Common by trying to register the land as a village green.
When was Shoebury last flooded by sea water?
Shoebury is under far more threat from rainfall how will the proposed sea wall help?
Besides the campaigners are not against a sea wall they are against its proposed location.
[quote][p][bold]Democrat[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ORACUS[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Democrat[/bold] wrote: CAMPAIGNERS hope to finally stop any future plans for a seawall at Shoebury Common by trying to register the land as a village green. - WHY??? Have they read the research and done the science?[/p][/quote]I would imagine like myself they have clearly you have not why do you want Shoebury to flood?[/p][/quote]It is OK ORACUS, don't apologise, I forgive you. I have read the research and reports and I know the science, and that is why both my comments today are in FAVOUR of a seawall. Perhaps you will do me the courtesy of reading the article and quotes again please? CAMPAIGNERS hope to finally stop any future plans for a seawall at Shoebury Common by trying to register the land as a village green.[/p][/quote]When was Shoebury last flooded by sea water? Shoebury is under far more threat from rainfall how will the proposed sea wall help? Besides the campaigners are not against a sea wall they are against its proposed location. ORACUS
  • Score: 0

8:47pm Thu 4 Sep 14

Democrat says...

ORACUS wrote:
Democrat wrote:
ORACUS wrote:
Democrat wrote:
CAMPAIGNERS hope to finally stop any future plans for a seawall at Shoebury Common by trying to register the land as a village green. - WHY??? Have they read the research and done the science?
I would imagine like myself they have clearly you have not why do you want Shoebury to flood?
It is OK ORACUS, don't apologise, I forgive you. I have read the research and reports and I know the science, and that is why both my comments today are in FAVOUR of a seawall. Perhaps you will do me the courtesy of reading the article and quotes again please?

CAMPAIGNERS hope to finally stop any future plans for a seawall at Shoebury Common by trying to register the land as a village green.
When was Shoebury last flooded by sea water?
Shoebury is under far more threat from rainfall how will the proposed sea wall help?
Besides the campaigners are not against a sea wall they are against its proposed location.
What build it inland??? Shoebury has not flooded yet but this is being proactive before it does. Lynmouth, Canvey, etc
[quote][p][bold]ORACUS[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Democrat[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ORACUS[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Democrat[/bold] wrote: CAMPAIGNERS hope to finally stop any future plans for a seawall at Shoebury Common by trying to register the land as a village green. - WHY??? Have they read the research and done the science?[/p][/quote]I would imagine like myself they have clearly you have not why do you want Shoebury to flood?[/p][/quote]It is OK ORACUS, don't apologise, I forgive you. I have read the research and reports and I know the science, and that is why both my comments today are in FAVOUR of a seawall. Perhaps you will do me the courtesy of reading the article and quotes again please? CAMPAIGNERS hope to finally stop any future plans for a seawall at Shoebury Common by trying to register the land as a village green.[/p][/quote]When was Shoebury last flooded by sea water? Shoebury is under far more threat from rainfall how will the proposed sea wall help? Besides the campaigners are not against a sea wall they are against its proposed location.[/p][/quote]What build it inland??? Shoebury has not flooded yet but this is being proactive before it does. Lynmouth, Canvey, etc Democrat
  • Score: -1

10:40pm Thu 4 Sep 14

ORACUS says...

Democrat wrote:
ORACUS wrote:
Democrat wrote:
ORACUS wrote:
Democrat wrote:
CAMPAIGNERS hope to finally stop any future plans for a seawall at Shoebury Common by trying to register the land as a village green. - WHY??? Have they read the research and done the science?
I would imagine like myself they have clearly you have not why do you want Shoebury to flood?
It is OK ORACUS, don't apologise, I forgive you. I have read the research and reports and I know the science, and that is why both my comments today are in FAVOUR of a seawall. Perhaps you will do me the courtesy of reading the article and quotes again please?

CAMPAIGNERS hope to finally stop any future plans for a seawall at Shoebury Common by trying to register the land as a village green.
When was Shoebury last flooded by sea water?
Shoebury is under far more threat from rainfall how will the proposed sea wall help?
Besides the campaigners are not against a sea wall they are against its proposed location.
What build it inland??? Shoebury has not flooded yet but this is being proactive before it does. Lynmouth, Canvey, etc
We recently had the biggest storm surge for sixty years we wont seeing its like for another sixty years proactive planning for something that might happen in a hundred years or so.
Who said build it inland why not simply increase the hight of the existing defences.
What Southend council are attempting to do is build a sea wall on a green space on the cheap with a limited life expectancy so they can build housing on more green space that may not even be needed depending on the EU referendum if it happens all for their own financial gain.
[quote][p][bold]Democrat[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ORACUS[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Democrat[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ORACUS[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Democrat[/bold] wrote: CAMPAIGNERS hope to finally stop any future plans for a seawall at Shoebury Common by trying to register the land as a village green. - WHY??? Have they read the research and done the science?[/p][/quote]I would imagine like myself they have clearly you have not why do you want Shoebury to flood?[/p][/quote]It is OK ORACUS, don't apologise, I forgive you. I have read the research and reports and I know the science, and that is why both my comments today are in FAVOUR of a seawall. Perhaps you will do me the courtesy of reading the article and quotes again please? CAMPAIGNERS hope to finally stop any future plans for a seawall at Shoebury Common by trying to register the land as a village green.[/p][/quote]When was Shoebury last flooded by sea water? Shoebury is under far more threat from rainfall how will the proposed sea wall help? Besides the campaigners are not against a sea wall they are against its proposed location.[/p][/quote]What build it inland??? Shoebury has not flooded yet but this is being proactive before it does. Lynmouth, Canvey, etc[/p][/quote]We recently had the biggest storm surge for sixty years we wont seeing its like for another sixty years proactive planning for something that might happen in a hundred years or so. Who said build it inland why not simply increase the hight of the existing defences. What Southend council are attempting to do is build a sea wall on a green space on the cheap with a limited life expectancy so they can build housing on more green space that may not even be needed depending on the EU referendum if it happens all for their own financial gain. ORACUS
  • Score: 0

8:34am Fri 5 Sep 14

southend brummie says...

There will be neither any public sympathy, nor any public money to compensate, when a storm surge floods Shoebury.

In case you hadn't noticed sea levels are rising, slowly but inexorably, as a result of global warming.
There will be neither any public sympathy, nor any public money to compensate, when a storm surge floods Shoebury. In case you hadn't noticed sea levels are rising, slowly but inexorably, as a result of global warming. southend brummie
  • Score: 0
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