Shock as Tory MP defects to Ukip

Tories' shock at purple defection

Douglas Carswell surprised many with his shock defection to Ukip

Euro MP and Ukip Thurrock candidate Tim Aker said no Tory seats were now safe in Essex

First published in South Essex news by

TORY MPs in south Essex have been warned “none of your seats are safe” after a Conservative swapped sides for Ukip.

Douglas Carswell, Conservative MP for Clacton, announced he was resigning from the House of Commons on Thursday, to stand as a Ukip candidate in a by-election.

At a press conference he said David Cameron was “not serious about change” on Europe and said the Government had failed to meet its promises on immigration, bank reform, reducing public debt and repealing red tape.

Now other Conservatives in Essex have been warned Ukip is after their seats at the general election next year.

Euro MP Tim Aker, who is also Ukip’s policy spokesman and its Thurrock candidate in next year’s elections, said: “My message to Tory MPs in Essex is none of your seats are safe any more – we are turning Essex purple.

“This by-election is going to start a domino effect all the way down the Thames Estuary.

“What starts in Clacton will end in Thurrock.”

Ukip’s leader on Basildon Council, Kerry Smith, said: “I think Douglas has done a very brave thing.

“Putting himself up in a by-election shows how confident he is of Ukip’s success – I think Essex is going to be a very purple place after next year’s local and parliamentary elections.”

South Essex Tories have been “stunned” by Mr Carswell’s decision.

John Baron, Basildon and Billericay MP, said: “I’m stunned, I’m surprised, and I think he’s made a mistake.

“Only the Conservative Party is going to be able to deliver a referendum on Europe in 2017.

“Labour and the Liberal Democrats don’t support that and Ukip won’t be able to deliver it.”

Castle Point MP, Rebecca Harris, said: “As a fellow eurosceptic I have always respected Douglas Carswell, but if he really wants to get Britain out of Europe, this is the wrong decision.

“The only way we will get an EU referendum and secure Britain’s long-term economic recovery is with a strong Conservative government after the next general election.”

Jackie Doyle-Price, whose own 92-vote majority in Thurrock is threatened by Ukip, said she felt Mr Carswell had madeamistake, adding: “The Conservative Party will deliver that, so I find it quite bizarre he wants to join Ukip.

“It flies in the face of what he said six months ago which was that everyone should stop rebelling.”

Halstead Gazette: Proud to be British - MP Bob Spink with his Union Flag licence plate

FORMER Castle Point MP, Bob Spink, who also moved to Ukip, said he wished he had held a by-election like Douglas Carswell.

Mr Spink, who lives in Benfleet, was elected to represent Castle Point as a Conservative in 1992 but, after joining Ukip in 2008, was defeated in the 2010 general election, by Tory Rebecca Harris.

He said he believed Douglas Carswell had done the right thing by calling a by-election and wished he had done the same. He said: “It’s right to hold a by-election and I regret not calling one myself “I think I would have won it if I had, just like I think Douglas will definitely win it – he will romp home.

“It will also enable Ukip to exert influence at Westminster and the party gain great credibility. It will show a vote for Ukip is not a wasted vote.”

Asked why he did not hold a by-election himself, Mr Spink said he believed at the time it would be a costly process and that voters did not like going to the polls too often.

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8:34am Sat 30 Aug 14

Richcarol:: says...

Why would the Torys been shocked I thought reading this headline. Ive always voted Tory since Harold Wilson started to destroy our country.

I thought the Torys this time they will deal with the issues we all wanted them to deal with. They have done nothing and along came UKIP that want to deal with everything we want them to deal with. Whats the silly headlines all about ? It wasn't a shock !
Why would the Torys been shocked I thought reading this headline. Ive always voted Tory since Harold Wilson started to destroy our country. I thought the Torys this time they will deal with the issues we all wanted them to deal with. They have done nothing and along came UKIP that want to deal with everything we want them to deal with. Whats the silly headlines all about ? It wasn't a shock ! Richcarol::
  • Score: 12

9:19am Sat 30 Aug 14

Howard Cháse says...

Amess to jump ship next?
Amess to jump ship next? Howard Cháse
  • Score: 0

10:29am Sat 30 Aug 14

Fab man says...

The fact that the Tories are surprised just shows how ignorant they still are about the state of the country and what the majority of the population want. Lets face it lib-lab-con are the same and the Tories are NOT going to hold a referendum (and even if they did they would not act on the result) whatever they say because their European Puppet master's don't want them too. Whether you like/dislike UKIP the simple fact is that they are the only alternative political party the UK has.
The fact that the Tories are surprised just shows how ignorant they still are about the state of the country and what the majority of the population want. Lets face it lib-lab-con are the same and the Tories are NOT going to hold a referendum (and even if they did they would not act on the result) whatever they say because their European Puppet master's don't want them too. Whether you like/dislike UKIP the simple fact is that they are the only alternative political party the UK has. Fab man
  • Score: 10

10:47am Sat 30 Aug 14

jayman says...

Headline should be 'slime finds damper rock to hide under'.

UKIP represent everything (opinion and ideology) that is to be loathed and dismissed.

what are UKIP's policies on

. Education
. Defence
. Taxation
. Foreign policy
. Law and policing
. Constitution
. Health
. Spending
. Housing
. Economy
. Buisness

there are only two areas of government that UKIP have provided a policy on

. Europe
. Immigration

UKIP are silver tongued, snake oil salesman who answer complex and valid questions with vague, Europe and immigration based answers without providing and content whatsoever.
Headline should be 'slime finds damper rock to hide under'. UKIP represent everything (opinion and ideology) that is to be loathed and dismissed. what are UKIP's policies on . Education . Defence . Taxation . Foreign policy . Law and policing . Constitution . Health . Spending . Housing . Economy . Buisness there are only two areas of government that UKIP have provided a policy on . Europe . Immigration UKIP are silver tongued, snake oil salesman who answer complex and valid questions with vague, Europe and immigration based answers without providing and content whatsoever. jayman
  • Score: -10

11:17am Sat 30 Aug 14

jayman says...

There is and always has been a threat from without that fosters within us as a society, ever more extreme practices and ideas that make our way of living more bleak, more conservative and more strict.

This is the ultimate zero-sum game, where all our best values are compromised in the name of preservation, to protect our favourite imaginary recollection that the past was in some way better, or that there has ever been a single point in history where we have been more then we are today. We are promised our past, We are promised that idyllic past that never existed. There is always a cost for this, this cost is calculated by the men who stand behind the lectern and its sweet , plentiful potential is projected from it and the 'sacrifices' cheer from below it.

A whole society cannot be 'reset to factory settings' UKIP pretend this is a possibility.
There is and always has been a threat from without that fosters within us as a society, ever more extreme practices and ideas that make our way of living more bleak, more conservative and more strict. This is the ultimate zero-sum game, where all our best values are compromised in the name of preservation, to protect our favourite imaginary recollection that the past was in some way better, or that there has ever been a single point in history where we have been more then we are today. We are promised our past, We are promised that idyllic past that never existed. There is always a cost for this, this cost is calculated by the men who stand behind the lectern and its sweet , plentiful potential is projected from it and the 'sacrifices' cheer from below it. A whole society cannot be 'reset to factory settings' UKIP pretend this is a possibility. jayman
  • Score: -12

11:56am Sat 30 Aug 14

DAGASMAN says...

jayman wrote:
There is and always has been a threat from without that fosters within us as a society, ever more extreme practices and ideas that make our way of living more bleak, more conservative and more strict.

This is the ultimate zero-sum game, where all our best values are compromised in the name of preservation, to protect our favourite imaginary recollection that the past was in some way better, or that there has ever been a single point in history where we have been more then we are today. We are promised our past, We are promised that idyllic past that never existed. There is always a cost for this, this cost is calculated by the men who stand behind the lectern and its sweet , plentiful potential is projected from it and the 'sacrifices' cheer from below it.

A whole society cannot be 'reset to factory settings' UKIP pretend this is a possibility.
Oh give it a rest mate, you love to bleat on dont you, talk about melodrama! "and if you vote UKIP there shall be a plague of locusts and it will rain everyday and it will just be winter all year, and they will bring back chimney sweeps" https://pbs.twimg.co
m/media/BqPVdtLIIAAW
72t.jpg
[quote][p][bold]jayman[/bold] wrote: There is and always has been a threat from without that fosters within us as a society, ever more extreme practices and ideas that make our way of living more bleak, more conservative and more strict. This is the ultimate zero-sum game, where all our best values are compromised in the name of preservation, to protect our favourite imaginary recollection that the past was in some way better, or that there has ever been a single point in history where we have been more then we are today. We are promised our past, We are promised that idyllic past that never existed. There is always a cost for this, this cost is calculated by the men who stand behind the lectern and its sweet , plentiful potential is projected from it and the 'sacrifices' cheer from below it. A whole society cannot be 'reset to factory settings' UKIP pretend this is a possibility.[/p][/quote]Oh give it a rest mate, you love to bleat on dont you, talk about melodrama! "and if you vote UKIP there shall be a plague of locusts and it will rain everyday and it will just be winter all year, and they will bring back chimney sweeps" https://pbs.twimg.co m/media/BqPVdtLIIAAW 72t.jpg DAGASMAN
  • Score: 4

12:57pm Sat 30 Aug 14

ThisYear says...

DAGASMAN wrote:
jayman wrote:
There is and always has been a threat from without that fosters within us as a society, ever more extreme practices and ideas that make our way of living more bleak, more conservative and more strict.

This is the ultimate zero-sum game, where all our best values are compromised in the name of preservation, to protect our favourite imaginary recollection that the past was in some way better, or that there has ever been a single point in history where we have been more then we are today. We are promised our past, We are promised that idyllic past that never existed. There is always a cost for this, this cost is calculated by the men who stand behind the lectern and its sweet , plentiful potential is projected from it and the 'sacrifices' cheer from below it.

A whole society cannot be 'reset to factory settings' UKIP pretend this is a possibility.
Oh give it a rest mate, you love to bleat on dont you, talk about melodrama! "and if you vote UKIP there shall be a plague of locusts and it will rain everyday and it will just be winter all year, and they will bring back chimney sweeps" https://pbs.twimg.co

m/media/BqPVdtLIIAAW

72t.jpg
Ukip are just another set of rats from the same nest...to think they are any different is the height of ignorance, stupidity, naivety and wishful thinking...
[quote][p][bold]DAGASMAN[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jayman[/bold] wrote: There is and always has been a threat from without that fosters within us as a society, ever more extreme practices and ideas that make our way of living more bleak, more conservative and more strict. This is the ultimate zero-sum game, where all our best values are compromised in the name of preservation, to protect our favourite imaginary recollection that the past was in some way better, or that there has ever been a single point in history where we have been more then we are today. We are promised our past, We are promised that idyllic past that never existed. There is always a cost for this, this cost is calculated by the men who stand behind the lectern and its sweet , plentiful potential is projected from it and the 'sacrifices' cheer from below it. A whole society cannot be 'reset to factory settings' UKIP pretend this is a possibility.[/p][/quote]Oh give it a rest mate, you love to bleat on dont you, talk about melodrama! "and if you vote UKIP there shall be a plague of locusts and it will rain everyday and it will just be winter all year, and they will bring back chimney sweeps" https://pbs.twimg.co m/media/BqPVdtLIIAAW 72t.jpg[/p][/quote]Ukip are just another set of rats from the same nest...to think they are any different is the height of ignorance, stupidity, naivety and wishful thinking... ThisYear
  • Score: -6

1:43pm Sat 30 Aug 14

Alekhine says...

ThisYear wrote:
DAGASMAN wrote:
jayman wrote:
There is and always has been a threat from without that fosters within us as a society, ever more extreme practices and ideas that make our way of living more bleak, more conservative and more strict.

This is the ultimate zero-sum game, where all our best values are compromised in the name of preservation, to protect our favourite imaginary recollection that the past was in some way better, or that there has ever been a single point in history where we have been more then we are today. We are promised our past, We are promised that idyllic past that never existed. There is always a cost for this, this cost is calculated by the men who stand behind the lectern and its sweet , plentiful potential is projected from it and the 'sacrifices' cheer from below it.

A whole society cannot be 'reset to factory settings' UKIP pretend this is a possibility.
Oh give it a rest mate, you love to bleat on dont you, talk about melodrama! "and if you vote UKIP there shall be a plague of locusts and it will rain everyday and it will just be winter all year, and they will bring back chimney sweeps" https://pbs.twimg.co


m/media/BqPVdtLIIAAW


72t.jpg
Ukip are just another set of rats from the same nest...to think they are any different is the height of ignorance, stupidity, naivety and wishful thinking...
What difference does it make to you. You don't vote anyway. A fact you seem very proud of for reasons unknown.
[quote][p][bold]ThisYear[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]DAGASMAN[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jayman[/bold] wrote: There is and always has been a threat from without that fosters within us as a society, ever more extreme practices and ideas that make our way of living more bleak, more conservative and more strict. This is the ultimate zero-sum game, where all our best values are compromised in the name of preservation, to protect our favourite imaginary recollection that the past was in some way better, or that there has ever been a single point in history where we have been more then we are today. We are promised our past, We are promised that idyllic past that never existed. There is always a cost for this, this cost is calculated by the men who stand behind the lectern and its sweet , plentiful potential is projected from it and the 'sacrifices' cheer from below it. A whole society cannot be 'reset to factory settings' UKIP pretend this is a possibility.[/p][/quote]Oh give it a rest mate, you love to bleat on dont you, talk about melodrama! "and if you vote UKIP there shall be a plague of locusts and it will rain everyday and it will just be winter all year, and they will bring back chimney sweeps" https://pbs.twimg.co m/media/BqPVdtLIIAAW 72t.jpg[/p][/quote]Ukip are just another set of rats from the same nest...to think they are any different is the height of ignorance, stupidity, naivety and wishful thinking...[/p][/quote]What difference does it make to you. You don't vote anyway. A fact you seem very proud of for reasons unknown. Alekhine
  • Score: 6

1:49pm Sat 30 Aug 14

jayman says...

ThisYear wrote:
DAGASMAN wrote:
jayman wrote:
There is and always has been a threat from without that fosters within us as a society, ever more extreme practices and ideas that make our way of living more bleak, more conservative and more strict.

This is the ultimate zero-sum game, where all our best values are compromised in the name of preservation, to protect our favourite imaginary recollection that the past was in some way better, or that there has ever been a single point in history where we have been more then we are today. We are promised our past, We are promised that idyllic past that never existed. There is always a cost for this, this cost is calculated by the men who stand behind the lectern and its sweet , plentiful potential is projected from it and the 'sacrifices' cheer from below it.

A whole society cannot be 'reset to factory settings' UKIP pretend this is a possibility.
Oh give it a rest mate, you love to bleat on dont you, talk about melodrama! "and if you vote UKIP there shall be a plague of locusts and it will rain everyday and it will just be winter all year, and they will bring back chimney sweeps" https://pbs.twimg.co


m/media/BqPVdtLIIAAW


72t.jpg
Ukip are just another set of rats from the same nest...to think they are any different is the height of ignorance, stupidity, naivety and wishful thinking...
https://pbs.twimg.co


m/media/BqPVdtLIIAAW


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that's not an argument I am making but i guess its one you've got the stock photography in order to fight!!

thank you for proving the point for me. I suppose there will be a visceral moment in the future where you will understand the argument and where you stand within it..
[quote][p][bold]ThisYear[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]DAGASMAN[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jayman[/bold] wrote: There is and always has been a threat from without that fosters within us as a society, ever more extreme practices and ideas that make our way of living more bleak, more conservative and more strict. This is the ultimate zero-sum game, where all our best values are compromised in the name of preservation, to protect our favourite imaginary recollection that the past was in some way better, or that there has ever been a single point in history where we have been more then we are today. We are promised our past, We are promised that idyllic past that never existed. There is always a cost for this, this cost is calculated by the men who stand behind the lectern and its sweet , plentiful potential is projected from it and the 'sacrifices' cheer from below it. A whole society cannot be 'reset to factory settings' UKIP pretend this is a possibility.[/p][/quote]Oh give it a rest mate, you love to bleat on dont you, talk about melodrama! "and if you vote UKIP there shall be a plague of locusts and it will rain everyday and it will just be winter all year, and they will bring back chimney sweeps" https://pbs.twimg.co m/media/BqPVdtLIIAAW 72t.jpg[/p][/quote]Ukip are just another set of rats from the same nest...to think they are any different is the height of ignorance, stupidity, naivety and wishful thinking...[/p][/quote]https://pbs.twimg.co m/media/BqPVdtLIIAAW 72t.jpg ----- that's not an argument I am making but i guess its one you've got the stock photography in order to fight!! thank you for proving the point for me. I suppose there will be a visceral moment in the future where you will understand the argument and where you stand within it.. jayman
  • Score: -8

1:49pm Sat 30 Aug 14

Alekhine says...

jayman wrote:
There is and always has been a threat from without that fosters within us as a society, ever more extreme practices and ideas that make our way of living more bleak, more conservative and more strict.

This is the ultimate zero-sum game, where all our best values are compromised in the name of preservation, to protect our favourite imaginary recollection that the past was in some way better, or that there has ever been a single point in history where we have been more then we are today. We are promised our past, We are promised that idyllic past that never existed. There is always a cost for this, this cost is calculated by the men who stand behind the lectern and its sweet , plentiful potential is projected from it and the 'sacrifices' cheer from below it.

A whole society cannot be 'reset to factory settings' UKIP pretend this is a possibility.
So you are saying we, as a people, cannot change the current downward trajectory which we are on. How very socialist of you. Will you be telling you to mind our own business and remember our place next?
[quote][p][bold]jayman[/bold] wrote: There is and always has been a threat from without that fosters within us as a society, ever more extreme practices and ideas that make our way of living more bleak, more conservative and more strict. This is the ultimate zero-sum game, where all our best values are compromised in the name of preservation, to protect our favourite imaginary recollection that the past was in some way better, or that there has ever been a single point in history where we have been more then we are today. We are promised our past, We are promised that idyllic past that never existed. There is always a cost for this, this cost is calculated by the men who stand behind the lectern and its sweet , plentiful potential is projected from it and the 'sacrifices' cheer from below it. A whole society cannot be 'reset to factory settings' UKIP pretend this is a possibility.[/p][/quote]So you are saying we, as a people, cannot change the current downward trajectory which we are on. How very socialist of you. Will you be telling you to mind our own business and remember our place next? Alekhine
  • Score: 6

2:04pm Sat 30 Aug 14

jayman says...

Alekhine wrote:
jayman wrote:
There is and always has been a threat from without that fosters within us as a society, ever more extreme practices and ideas that make our way of living more bleak, more conservative and more strict.

This is the ultimate zero-sum game, where all our best values are compromised in the name of preservation, to protect our favourite imaginary recollection that the past was in some way better, or that there has ever been a single point in history where we have been more then we are today. We are promised our past, We are promised that idyllic past that never existed. There is always a cost for this, this cost is calculated by the men who stand behind the lectern and its sweet , plentiful potential is projected from it and the 'sacrifices' cheer from below it.

A whole society cannot be 'reset to factory settings' UKIP pretend this is a possibility.
So you are saying we, as a people, cannot change the current downward trajectory which we are on. How very socialist of you. Will you be telling you to mind our own business and remember our place next?
I am making the observation that there are strong right-wing movements in the UK and elsewhere in the world at the moment. This usually leads to a situation of competitive right-wing ideologies that vie for the title of 'most misanthropic hate based society' this scenario only ever leads to major international war between strict these ideologies. once the swan song is sung. usually a liberal government will step in and offer hope and stability with institutional security NHS, BR, ect ect.
[quote][p][bold]Alekhine[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jayman[/bold] wrote: There is and always has been a threat from without that fosters within us as a society, ever more extreme practices and ideas that make our way of living more bleak, more conservative and more strict. This is the ultimate zero-sum game, where all our best values are compromised in the name of preservation, to protect our favourite imaginary recollection that the past was in some way better, or that there has ever been a single point in history where we have been more then we are today. We are promised our past, We are promised that idyllic past that never existed. There is always a cost for this, this cost is calculated by the men who stand behind the lectern and its sweet , plentiful potential is projected from it and the 'sacrifices' cheer from below it. A whole society cannot be 'reset to factory settings' UKIP pretend this is a possibility.[/p][/quote]So you are saying we, as a people, cannot change the current downward trajectory which we are on. How very socialist of you. Will you be telling you to mind our own business and remember our place next?[/p][/quote]I am making the observation that there are strong right-wing movements in the UK and elsewhere in the world at the moment. This usually leads to a situation of competitive right-wing ideologies that vie for the title of 'most misanthropic hate based society' this scenario only ever leads to major international war between strict these ideologies. once the swan song is sung. usually a liberal government will step in and offer hope and stability with institutional security NHS, BR, ect ect. jayman
  • Score: -12

3:59pm Sat 30 Aug 14

Sensible Man says...

The important thing not to lose sight of here is the behaviour of the truly sickening disgusting left-wing Labour people in Rotherham (and God knows how many other towns and cities). How many poor kids were sickeningly abused because these left-wing filth were too scared of upsetting certain "sections" of the population. They truly make me SICK. Politically correct morons.

So - if anyone reading this is still idiotic enough to even consider voting Labour- just think of those poor children before you put your cross in that filthy "Labour" box on the ballot paper. Ask yourself - just WHO in the population do Labour REALLY care about. THINK ROTHERHAM!!!!

And then have a think - just how "working-class" are the Labour front-bench?? How many millionaires sitting there? "Working-class my a*se!!!!
The important thing not to lose sight of here is the behaviour of the truly sickening disgusting left-wing Labour people in Rotherham (and God knows how many other towns and cities). How many poor kids were sickeningly abused because these left-wing filth were too scared of upsetting certain "sections" of the population. They truly make me SICK. Politically correct morons. So - if anyone reading this is still idiotic enough to even consider voting Labour- just think of those poor children before you put your cross in that filthy "Labour" box on the ballot paper. Ask yourself - just WHO in the population do Labour REALLY care about. THINK ROTHERHAM!!!! And then have a think - just how "working-class" are the Labour front-bench?? How many millionaires sitting there? "Working-class my a*se!!!! Sensible Man
  • Score: 7

4:16pm Sat 30 Aug 14

emcee says...

It does not matter who or what UKIP are. It does not even matter if they are a one policy party if that policy is, in fact, in line with public opinion. If the other parties are failing to listen to the electorate then what do they expect if a party comes along that actually represents a massive propotion of the public's views.

I am traditionally a Tory voter but I truely believe that if UKIP do nothing else at least they will allow the people of this country, by way of an alternative vote, to give the traditional partyies a good kick up the backside. This may then, finally, force the other parties to actually listen to what the electorate thinks and wants, and act upon it, rather than decide themselves what it is we should all thinking or what it is we all want.

UKIP is the best opportunity for a public voice in politics this country has had for donkey's years and it has not come soon enough.
It does not matter who or what UKIP are. It does not even matter if they are a one policy party if that policy is, in fact, in line with public opinion. If the other parties are failing to listen to the electorate then what do they expect if a party comes along that actually represents a massive propotion of the public's views. I am traditionally a Tory voter but I truely believe that if UKIP do nothing else at least they will allow the people of this country, by way of an alternative vote, to give the traditional partyies a good kick up the backside. This may then, finally, force the other parties to actually listen to what the electorate thinks and wants, and act upon it, rather than decide themselves what it is we should all thinking or what it is we all want. UKIP is the best opportunity for a public voice in politics this country has had for donkey's years and it has not come soon enough. emcee
  • Score: 7

4:33pm Sat 30 Aug 14

sesibollox says...

jayman wrote:
Headline should be 'slime finds damper rock to hide under'.

UKIP represent everything (opinion and ideology) that is to be loathed and dismissed.

what are UKIP's policies on

. Education
. Defence
. Taxation
. Foreign policy
. Law and policing
. Constitution
. Health
. Spending
. Housing
. Economy
. Buisness

there are only two areas of government that UKIP have provided a policy on

. Europe
. Immigration

UKIP are silver tongued, snake oil salesman who answer complex and valid questions with vague, Europe and immigration based answers without providing and content whatsoever.
We all know UKIP will never run anything else than a lot of spin, though they will ensure those in current government seats, sit up and THINK about all their broken promises, their lies and their wrongs...
[quote][p][bold]jayman[/bold] wrote: Headline should be 'slime finds damper rock to hide under'. UKIP represent everything (opinion and ideology) that is to be loathed and dismissed. what are UKIP's policies on . Education . Defence . Taxation . Foreign policy . Law and policing . Constitution . Health . Spending . Housing . Economy . Buisness there are only two areas of government that UKIP have provided a policy on . Europe . Immigration UKIP are silver tongued, snake oil salesman who answer complex and valid questions with vague, Europe and immigration based answers without providing and content whatsoever.[/p][/quote]We all know UKIP will never run anything else than a lot of spin, though they will ensure those in current government seats, sit up and THINK about all their broken promises, their lies and their wrongs... sesibollox
  • Score: -7

5:06pm Sat 30 Aug 14

Keptquiettillnow says...

Howard Cháse wrote:
Amess to jump ship next?
Even if he does, the population of Southend West can't be that dumb to fall for it again?
[quote][p][bold]Howard Cháse[/bold] wrote: Amess to jump ship next?[/p][/quote]Even if he does, the population of Southend West can't be that dumb to fall for it again? Keptquiettillnow
  • Score: 2

5:07pm Sat 30 Aug 14

Keptquiettillnow says...

jayman wrote:
Headline should be 'slime finds damper rock to hide under'.

UKIP represent everything (opinion and ideology) that is to be loathed and dismissed.

what are UKIP's policies on

. Education
. Defence
. Taxation
. Foreign policy
. Law and policing
. Constitution
. Health
. Spending
. Housing
. Economy
. Buisness

there are only two areas of government that UKIP have provided a policy on

. Europe
. Immigration

UKIP are silver tongued, snake oil salesman who answer complex and valid questions with vague, Europe and immigration based answers without providing and content whatsoever.
Good post, but you forgot transport.
[quote][p][bold]jayman[/bold] wrote: Headline should be 'slime finds damper rock to hide under'. UKIP represent everything (opinion and ideology) that is to be loathed and dismissed. what are UKIP's policies on . Education . Defence . Taxation . Foreign policy . Law and policing . Constitution . Health . Spending . Housing . Economy . Buisness there are only two areas of government that UKIP have provided a policy on . Europe . Immigration UKIP are silver tongued, snake oil salesman who answer complex and valid questions with vague, Europe and immigration based answers without providing and content whatsoever.[/p][/quote]Good post, but you forgot transport. Keptquiettillnow
  • Score: 1

5:37pm Sat 30 Aug 14

Howard Cháse says...

Keptquiettillnow wrote:
jayman wrote:
Headline should be 'slime finds damper rock to hide under'.

UKIP represent everything (opinion and ideology) that is to be loathed and dismissed.

what are UKIP's policies on

. Education
. Defence
. Taxation
. Foreign policy
. Law and policing
. Constitution
. Health
. Spending
. Housing
. Economy
. Buisness

there are only two areas of government that UKIP have provided a policy on

. Europe
. Immigration

UKIP are silver tongued, snake oil salesman who answer complex and valid questions with vague, Europe and immigration based answers without providing and content whatsoever.
Good post, but you forgot transport.
What have the Romans ever done for us?
[quote][p][bold]Keptquiettillnow[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jayman[/bold] wrote: Headline should be 'slime finds damper rock to hide under'. UKIP represent everything (opinion and ideology) that is to be loathed and dismissed. what are UKIP's policies on . Education . Defence . Taxation . Foreign policy . Law and policing . Constitution . Health . Spending . Housing . Economy . Buisness there are only two areas of government that UKIP have provided a policy on . Europe . Immigration UKIP are silver tongued, snake oil salesman who answer complex and valid questions with vague, Europe and immigration based answers without providing and content whatsoever.[/p][/quote]Good post, but you forgot transport.[/p][/quote]What have the Romans ever done for us? Howard Cháse
  • Score: 5

7:38pm Sat 30 Aug 14

ThisYear says...

Alekhine wrote:
ThisYear wrote:
DAGASMAN wrote:
jayman wrote:
There is and always has been a threat from without that fosters within us as a society, ever more extreme practices and ideas that make our way of living more bleak, more conservative and more strict.

This is the ultimate zero-sum game, where all our best values are compromised in the name of preservation, to protect our favourite imaginary recollection that the past was in some way better, or that there has ever been a single point in history where we have been more then we are today. We are promised our past, We are promised that idyllic past that never existed. There is always a cost for this, this cost is calculated by the men who stand behind the lectern and its sweet , plentiful potential is projected from it and the 'sacrifices' cheer from below it.

A whole society cannot be 'reset to factory settings' UKIP pretend this is a possibility.
Oh give it a rest mate, you love to bleat on dont you, talk about melodrama! "and if you vote UKIP there shall be a plague of locusts and it will rain everyday and it will just be winter all year, and they will bring back chimney sweeps" https://pbs.twimg.co



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Ukip are just another set of rats from the same nest...to think they are any different is the height of ignorance, stupidity, naivety and wishful thinking...
What difference does it make to you. You don't vote anyway. A fact you seem very proud of for reasons unknown.
What difference does it make to you what difference it makes to me?

My comment stands...Ukip are just another lot of rats with different colour rosettes!

Why on earth should anyone be proud of voting or not voting?

Isnt it simply a choice

I dont take sugar in my tea either...

Plonker.
[quote][p][bold]Alekhine[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ThisYear[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]DAGASMAN[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jayman[/bold] wrote: There is and always has been a threat from without that fosters within us as a society, ever more extreme practices and ideas that make our way of living more bleak, more conservative and more strict. This is the ultimate zero-sum game, where all our best values are compromised in the name of preservation, to protect our favourite imaginary recollection that the past was in some way better, or that there has ever been a single point in history where we have been more then we are today. We are promised our past, We are promised that idyllic past that never existed. There is always a cost for this, this cost is calculated by the men who stand behind the lectern and its sweet , plentiful potential is projected from it and the 'sacrifices' cheer from below it. A whole society cannot be 'reset to factory settings' UKIP pretend this is a possibility.[/p][/quote]Oh give it a rest mate, you love to bleat on dont you, talk about melodrama! "and if you vote UKIP there shall be a plague of locusts and it will rain everyday and it will just be winter all year, and they will bring back chimney sweeps" https://pbs.twimg.co m/media/BqPVdtLIIAAW 72t.jpg[/p][/quote]Ukip are just another set of rats from the same nest...to think they are any different is the height of ignorance, stupidity, naivety and wishful thinking...[/p][/quote]What difference does it make to you. You don't vote anyway. A fact you seem very proud of for reasons unknown.[/p][/quote]What difference does it make to you what difference it makes to me? My comment stands...Ukip are just another lot of rats with different colour rosettes! Why on earth should anyone be proud of voting or not voting? Isnt it simply a choice I dont take sugar in my tea either... Plonker. ThisYear
  • Score: -3

9:09pm Sat 30 Aug 14

Alekhine says...

ThisYear wrote:
Alekhine wrote:
ThisYear wrote:
DAGASMAN wrote:
jayman wrote:
There is and always has been a threat from without that fosters within us as a society, ever more extreme practices and ideas that make our way of living more bleak, more conservative and more strict.

This is the ultimate zero-sum game, where all our best values are compromised in the name of preservation, to protect our favourite imaginary recollection that the past was in some way better, or that there has ever been a single point in history where we have been more then we are today. We are promised our past, We are promised that idyllic past that never existed. There is always a cost for this, this cost is calculated by the men who stand behind the lectern and its sweet , plentiful potential is projected from it and the 'sacrifices' cheer from below it.

A whole society cannot be 'reset to factory settings' UKIP pretend this is a possibility.
Oh give it a rest mate, you love to bleat on dont you, talk about melodrama! "and if you vote UKIP there shall be a plague of locusts and it will rain everyday and it will just be winter all year, and they will bring back chimney sweeps" https://pbs.twimg.co




m/media/BqPVdtLIIAAW




72t.jpg
Ukip are just another set of rats from the same nest...to think they are any different is the height of ignorance, stupidity, naivety and wishful thinking...
What difference does it make to you. You don't vote anyway. A fact you seem very proud of for reasons unknown.
What difference does it make to you what difference it makes to me?

My comment stands...Ukip are just another lot of rats with different colour rosettes!

Why on earth should anyone be proud of voting or not voting?

Isnt it simply a choice

I dont take sugar in my tea either...

Plonker.
Don't vote. Don't complain.
[quote][p][bold]ThisYear[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Alekhine[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ThisYear[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]DAGASMAN[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jayman[/bold] wrote: There is and always has been a threat from without that fosters within us as a society, ever more extreme practices and ideas that make our way of living more bleak, more conservative and more strict. This is the ultimate zero-sum game, where all our best values are compromised in the name of preservation, to protect our favourite imaginary recollection that the past was in some way better, or that there has ever been a single point in history where we have been more then we are today. We are promised our past, We are promised that idyllic past that never existed. There is always a cost for this, this cost is calculated by the men who stand behind the lectern and its sweet , plentiful potential is projected from it and the 'sacrifices' cheer from below it. A whole society cannot be 'reset to factory settings' UKIP pretend this is a possibility.[/p][/quote]Oh give it a rest mate, you love to bleat on dont you, talk about melodrama! "and if you vote UKIP there shall be a plague of locusts and it will rain everyday and it will just be winter all year, and they will bring back chimney sweeps" https://pbs.twimg.co m/media/BqPVdtLIIAAW 72t.jpg[/p][/quote]Ukip are just another set of rats from the same nest...to think they are any different is the height of ignorance, stupidity, naivety and wishful thinking...[/p][/quote]What difference does it make to you. You don't vote anyway. A fact you seem very proud of for reasons unknown.[/p][/quote]What difference does it make to you what difference it makes to me? My comment stands...Ukip are just another lot of rats with different colour rosettes! Why on earth should anyone be proud of voting or not voting? Isnt it simply a choice I dont take sugar in my tea either... Plonker.[/p][/quote]Don't vote. Don't complain. Alekhine
  • Score: 2

1:45am Sun 31 Aug 14

ThisYear says...

Alekhine wrote:
ThisYear wrote:
Alekhine wrote:
ThisYear wrote:
DAGASMAN wrote:
jayman wrote:
There is and always has been a threat from without that fosters within us as a society, ever more extreme practices and ideas that make our way of living more bleak, more conservative and more strict.

This is the ultimate zero-sum game, where all our best values are compromised in the name of preservation, to protect our favourite imaginary recollection that the past was in some way better, or that there has ever been a single point in history where we have been more then we are today. We are promised our past, We are promised that idyllic past that never existed. There is always a cost for this, this cost is calculated by the men who stand behind the lectern and its sweet , plentiful potential is projected from it and the 'sacrifices' cheer from below it.

A whole society cannot be 'reset to factory settings' UKIP pretend this is a possibility.
Oh give it a rest mate, you love to bleat on dont you, talk about melodrama! "and if you vote UKIP there shall be a plague of locusts and it will rain everyday and it will just be winter all year, and they will bring back chimney sweeps" https://pbs.twimg.co





m/media/BqPVdtLIIAAW





72t.jpg
Ukip are just another set of rats from the same nest...to think they are any different is the height of ignorance, stupidity, naivety and wishful thinking...
What difference does it make to you. You don't vote anyway. A fact you seem very proud of for reasons unknown.
What difference does it make to you what difference it makes to me?

My comment stands...Ukip are just another lot of rats with different colour rosettes!

Why on earth should anyone be proud of voting or not voting?

Isnt it simply a choice

I dont take sugar in my tea either...

Plonker.
Don't vote. Don't complain.
Is it not a fact that the majority of people in the country do not vote?
[quote][p][bold]Alekhine[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ThisYear[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Alekhine[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ThisYear[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]DAGASMAN[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jayman[/bold] wrote: There is and always has been a threat from without that fosters within us as a society, ever more extreme practices and ideas that make our way of living more bleak, more conservative and more strict. This is the ultimate zero-sum game, where all our best values are compromised in the name of preservation, to protect our favourite imaginary recollection that the past was in some way better, or that there has ever been a single point in history where we have been more then we are today. We are promised our past, We are promised that idyllic past that never existed. There is always a cost for this, this cost is calculated by the men who stand behind the lectern and its sweet , plentiful potential is projected from it and the 'sacrifices' cheer from below it. A whole society cannot be 'reset to factory settings' UKIP pretend this is a possibility.[/p][/quote]Oh give it a rest mate, you love to bleat on dont you, talk about melodrama! "and if you vote UKIP there shall be a plague of locusts and it will rain everyday and it will just be winter all year, and they will bring back chimney sweeps" https://pbs.twimg.co m/media/BqPVdtLIIAAW 72t.jpg[/p][/quote]Ukip are just another set of rats from the same nest...to think they are any different is the height of ignorance, stupidity, naivety and wishful thinking...[/p][/quote]What difference does it make to you. You don't vote anyway. A fact you seem very proud of for reasons unknown.[/p][/quote]What difference does it make to you what difference it makes to me? My comment stands...Ukip are just another lot of rats with different colour rosettes! Why on earth should anyone be proud of voting or not voting? Isnt it simply a choice I dont take sugar in my tea either... Plonker.[/p][/quote]Don't vote. Don't complain.[/p][/quote]Is it not a fact that the majority of people in the country do not vote? ThisYear
  • Score: -5

1:45am Sun 31 Aug 14

Nebs says...

I don't think either Labour or Conservative parties will be too concerned about UKIP. Ignore your own opinions, ignore the media, and look for clues from those who are prepared to put their money where their mouth is, viz, the bookies.
Current odds on the number of seats UKIP will win at the general election are:
No seats at all 4/1
1 to 5 seats 4/6
6 or more seats 11/4
Those who think UKIP will do well should lump on the 11/4, those who think UKIP won't do well are in agreement with the bookies, and you never see a poor bookie.
I don't think either Labour or Conservative parties will be too concerned about UKIP. Ignore your own opinions, ignore the media, and look for clues from those who are prepared to put their money where their mouth is, viz, the bookies. Current odds on the number of seats UKIP will win at the general election are: No seats at all 4/1 1 to 5 seats 4/6 6 or more seats 11/4 Those who think UKIP will do well should lump on the 11/4, those who think UKIP won't do well are in agreement with the bookies, and you never see a poor bookie. Nebs
  • Score: 6

1:52am Sun 31 Aug 14

Nebs says...

jayman wrote:
Headline should be 'slime finds damper rock to hide under'.

UKIP represent everything (opinion and ideology) that is to be loathed and dismissed.

what are UKIP's policies on

. Education
. Defence
. Taxation
. Foreign policy
. Law and policing
. Constitution
. Health
. Spending
. Housing
. Economy
. Buisness

there are only two areas of government that UKIP have provided a policy on

. Europe
. Immigration

UKIP are silver tongued, snake oil salesman who answer complex and valid questions with vague, Europe and immigration based answers without providing and content whatsoever.
Luckily both Labour and Conservative are honest and open, who answer complex and valid questions with straightforward truthful answers full of relevant content.
[quote][p][bold]jayman[/bold] wrote: Headline should be 'slime finds damper rock to hide under'. UKIP represent everything (opinion and ideology) that is to be loathed and dismissed. what are UKIP's policies on . Education . Defence . Taxation . Foreign policy . Law and policing . Constitution . Health . Spending . Housing . Economy . Buisness there are only two areas of government that UKIP have provided a policy on . Europe . Immigration UKIP are silver tongued, snake oil salesman who answer complex and valid questions with vague, Europe and immigration based answers without providing and content whatsoever.[/p][/quote]Luckily both Labour and Conservative are honest and open, who answer complex and valid questions with straightforward truthful answers full of relevant content. Nebs
  • Score: 4

2:31am Sun 31 Aug 14

ORACUS says...

ThisYear wrote:
Alekhine wrote:
ThisYear wrote:
Alekhine wrote:
ThisYear wrote:
DAGASMAN wrote:
jayman wrote:
There is and always has been a threat from without that fosters within us as a society, ever more extreme practices and ideas that make our way of living more bleak, more conservative and more strict.

This is the ultimate zero-sum game, where all our best values are compromised in the name of preservation, to protect our favourite imaginary recollection that the past was in some way better, or that there has ever been a single point in history where we have been more then we are today. We are promised our past, We are promised that idyllic past that never existed. There is always a cost for this, this cost is calculated by the men who stand behind the lectern and its sweet , plentiful potential is projected from it and the 'sacrifices' cheer from below it.

A whole society cannot be 'reset to factory settings' UKIP pretend this is a possibility.
Oh give it a rest mate, you love to bleat on dont you, talk about melodrama! "and if you vote UKIP there shall be a plague of locusts and it will rain everyday and it will just be winter all year, and they will bring back chimney sweeps" https://pbs.twimg.co






m/media/BqPVdtLIIAAW






72t.jpg
Ukip are just another set of rats from the same nest...to think they are any different is the height of ignorance, stupidity, naivety and wishful thinking...
What difference does it make to you. You don't vote anyway. A fact you seem very proud of for reasons unknown.
What difference does it make to you what difference it makes to me?

My comment stands...Ukip are just another lot of rats with different colour rosettes!

Why on earth should anyone be proud of voting or not voting?

Isnt it simply a choice

I dont take sugar in my tea either...

Plonker.
Don't vote. Don't complain.
Is it not a fact that the majority of people in the country do not vote?
No the majority abstain from voting that in itself is a vote.
And its plainly obvious what your motivation is here if we leave the EU your traveller friends from the Republic of Ireland and you most probably would lose their right to be here.
You are so tranparent.
[quote][p][bold]ThisYear[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Alekhine[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ThisYear[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Alekhine[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ThisYear[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]DAGASMAN[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jayman[/bold] wrote: There is and always has been a threat from without that fosters within us as a society, ever more extreme practices and ideas that make our way of living more bleak, more conservative and more strict. This is the ultimate zero-sum game, where all our best values are compromised in the name of preservation, to protect our favourite imaginary recollection that the past was in some way better, or that there has ever been a single point in history where we have been more then we are today. We are promised our past, We are promised that idyllic past that never existed. There is always a cost for this, this cost is calculated by the men who stand behind the lectern and its sweet , plentiful potential is projected from it and the 'sacrifices' cheer from below it. A whole society cannot be 'reset to factory settings' UKIP pretend this is a possibility.[/p][/quote]Oh give it a rest mate, you love to bleat on dont you, talk about melodrama! "and if you vote UKIP there shall be a plague of locusts and it will rain everyday and it will just be winter all year, and they will bring back chimney sweeps" https://pbs.twimg.co m/media/BqPVdtLIIAAW 72t.jpg[/p][/quote]Ukip are just another set of rats from the same nest...to think they are any different is the height of ignorance, stupidity, naivety and wishful thinking...[/p][/quote]What difference does it make to you. You don't vote anyway. A fact you seem very proud of for reasons unknown.[/p][/quote]What difference does it make to you what difference it makes to me? My comment stands...Ukip are just another lot of rats with different colour rosettes! Why on earth should anyone be proud of voting or not voting? Isnt it simply a choice I dont take sugar in my tea either... Plonker.[/p][/quote]Don't vote. Don't complain.[/p][/quote]Is it not a fact that the majority of people in the country do not vote?[/p][/quote]No the majority abstain from voting that in itself is a vote. And its plainly obvious what your motivation is here if we leave the EU your traveller friends from the Republic of Ireland and you most probably would lose their right to be here. You are so tranparent. ORACUS
  • Score: 2

2:46am Sun 31 Aug 14

ORACUS says...

jayman wrote:
Headline should be 'slime finds damper rock to hide under'.

UKIP represent everything (opinion and ideology) that is to be loathed and dismissed.

what are UKIP's policies on

. Education
. Defence
. Taxation
. Foreign policy
. Law and policing
. Constitution
. Health
. Spending
. Housing
. Economy
. Buisness

there are only two areas of government that UKIP have provided a policy on

. Europe
. Immigration

UKIP are silver tongued, snake oil salesman who answer complex and valid questions with vague, Europe and immigration based answers without providing and content whatsoever.
It doesn’t matter what UKIPs policy’s are this country is akin to an over loaded cargo ship throw some of the cargo over board and the ship stops sinking after they’ve done that they can sit flicking bogies at each other for four years we will still be better off.
[quote][p][bold]jayman[/bold] wrote: Headline should be 'slime finds damper rock to hide under'. UKIP represent everything (opinion and ideology) that is to be loathed and dismissed. what are UKIP's policies on . Education . Defence . Taxation . Foreign policy . Law and policing . Constitution . Health . Spending . Housing . Economy . Buisness there are only two areas of government that UKIP have provided a policy on . Europe . Immigration UKIP are silver tongued, snake oil salesman who answer complex and valid questions with vague, Europe and immigration based answers without providing and content whatsoever.[/p][/quote]It doesn’t matter what UKIPs policy’s are this country is akin to an over loaded cargo ship throw some of the cargo over board and the ship stops sinking after they’ve done that they can sit flicking bogies at each other for four years we will still be better off. ORACUS
  • Score: 2

2:52am Sun 31 Aug 14

ORACUS says...

Nebs wrote:
jayman wrote:
Headline should be 'slime finds damper rock to hide under'.

UKIP represent everything (opinion and ideology) that is to be loathed and dismissed.

what are UKIP's policies on

. Education
. Defence
. Taxation
. Foreign policy
. Law and policing
. Constitution
. Health
. Spending
. Housing
. Economy
. Buisness

there are only two areas of government that UKIP have provided a policy on

. Europe
. Immigration

UKIP are silver tongued, snake oil salesman who answer complex and valid questions with vague, Europe and immigration based answers without providing and content whatsoever.
Luckily both Labour and Conservative are honest and open, who answer complex and valid questions with straightforward truthful answers full of relevant content.
Nice bit of sarcasm there Nebs.
Very funny.
[quote][p][bold]Nebs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jayman[/bold] wrote: Headline should be 'slime finds damper rock to hide under'. UKIP represent everything (opinion and ideology) that is to be loathed and dismissed. what are UKIP's policies on . Education . Defence . Taxation . Foreign policy . Law and policing . Constitution . Health . Spending . Housing . Economy . Buisness there are only two areas of government that UKIP have provided a policy on . Europe . Immigration UKIP are silver tongued, snake oil salesman who answer complex and valid questions with vague, Europe and immigration based answers without providing and content whatsoever.[/p][/quote]Luckily both Labour and Conservative are honest and open, who answer complex and valid questions with straightforward truthful answers full of relevant content.[/p][/quote]Nice bit of sarcasm there Nebs. Very funny. ORACUS
  • Score: 2

3:01am Sun 31 Aug 14

ORACUS says...

jayman wrote:
There is and always has been a threat from without that fosters within us as a society, ever more extreme practices and ideas that make our way of living more bleak, more conservative and more strict.

This is the ultimate zero-sum game, where all our best values are compromised in the name of preservation, to protect our favourite imaginary recollection that the past was in some way better, or that there has ever been a single point in history where we have been more then we are today. We are promised our past, We are promised that idyllic past that never existed. There is always a cost for this, this cost is calculated by the men who stand behind the lectern and its sweet , plentiful potential is projected from it and the 'sacrifices' cheer from below it.

A whole society cannot be 'reset to factory settings' UKIP pretend this is a possibility.
Just the sort of thing an EU migrant worried about future deportation would say.
As are all comments that are anti UKIP most probably.
[quote][p][bold]jayman[/bold] wrote: There is and always has been a threat from without that fosters within us as a society, ever more extreme practices and ideas that make our way of living more bleak, more conservative and more strict. This is the ultimate zero-sum game, where all our best values are compromised in the name of preservation, to protect our favourite imaginary recollection that the past was in some way better, or that there has ever been a single point in history where we have been more then we are today. We are promised our past, We are promised that idyllic past that never existed. There is always a cost for this, this cost is calculated by the men who stand behind the lectern and its sweet , plentiful potential is projected from it and the 'sacrifices' cheer from below it. A whole society cannot be 'reset to factory settings' UKIP pretend this is a possibility.[/p][/quote]Just the sort of thing an EU migrant worried about future deportation would say. As are all comments that are anti UKIP most probably. ORACUS
  • Score: 2

9:47am Sun 31 Aug 14

jayman says...

ORACUS wrote:
jayman wrote:
There is and always has been a threat from without that fosters within us as a society, ever more extreme practices and ideas that make our way of living more bleak, more conservative and more strict.

This is the ultimate zero-sum game, where all our best values are compromised in the name of preservation, to protect our favourite imaginary recollection that the past was in some way better, or that there has ever been a single point in history where we have been more then we are today. We are promised our past, We are promised that idyllic past that never existed. There is always a cost for this, this cost is calculated by the men who stand behind the lectern and its sweet , plentiful potential is projected from it and the 'sacrifices' cheer from below it.

A whole society cannot be 'reset to factory settings' UKIP pretend this is a possibility.
Just the sort of thing an EU migrant worried about future deportation would say.
As are all comments that are anti UKIP most probably.
Nope. its the sort of comment that comes from an ex British Army soldier who has been to plenty of failed states that embrace right wing ideologies, and who has heard this sort of UKIP rhetoric before.
[quote][p][bold]ORACUS[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jayman[/bold] wrote: There is and always has been a threat from without that fosters within us as a society, ever more extreme practices and ideas that make our way of living more bleak, more conservative and more strict. This is the ultimate zero-sum game, where all our best values are compromised in the name of preservation, to protect our favourite imaginary recollection that the past was in some way better, or that there has ever been a single point in history where we have been more then we are today. We are promised our past, We are promised that idyllic past that never existed. There is always a cost for this, this cost is calculated by the men who stand behind the lectern and its sweet , plentiful potential is projected from it and the 'sacrifices' cheer from below it. A whole society cannot be 'reset to factory settings' UKIP pretend this is a possibility.[/p][/quote]Just the sort of thing an EU migrant worried about future deportation would say. As are all comments that are anti UKIP most probably.[/p][/quote]Nope. its the sort of comment that comes from an ex British Army soldier who has been to plenty of failed states that embrace right wing ideologies, and who has heard this sort of UKIP rhetoric before. jayman
  • Score: 2

10:08am Sun 31 Aug 14

ORACUS says...

jayman wrote:
ORACUS wrote:
jayman wrote:
There is and always has been a threat from without that fosters within us as a society, ever more extreme practices and ideas that make our way of living more bleak, more conservative and more strict.

This is the ultimate zero-sum game, where all our best values are compromised in the name of preservation, to protect our favourite imaginary recollection that the past was in some way better, or that there has ever been a single point in history where we have been more then we are today. We are promised our past, We are promised that idyllic past that never existed. There is always a cost for this, this cost is calculated by the men who stand behind the lectern and its sweet , plentiful potential is projected from it and the 'sacrifices' cheer from below it.

A whole society cannot be 'reset to factory settings' UKIP pretend this is a possibility.
Just the sort of thing an EU migrant worried about future deportation would say.
As are all comments that are anti UKIP most probably.
Nope. its the sort of comment that comes from an ex British Army soldier who has been to plenty of failed states that embrace right wing ideologies, and who has heard this sort of UKIP rhetoric before.
The currant situation is that the EU is buying the allegiance of the Eastern European states with our children’s futures it has nothing to do with left or right its traitors or patriots.
I believe you would have taken an oath to defend queen and country do your duty.
[quote][p][bold]jayman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ORACUS[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jayman[/bold] wrote: There is and always has been a threat from without that fosters within us as a society, ever more extreme practices and ideas that make our way of living more bleak, more conservative and more strict. This is the ultimate zero-sum game, where all our best values are compromised in the name of preservation, to protect our favourite imaginary recollection that the past was in some way better, or that there has ever been a single point in history where we have been more then we are today. We are promised our past, We are promised that idyllic past that never existed. There is always a cost for this, this cost is calculated by the men who stand behind the lectern and its sweet , plentiful potential is projected from it and the 'sacrifices' cheer from below it. A whole society cannot be 'reset to factory settings' UKIP pretend this is a possibility.[/p][/quote]Just the sort of thing an EU migrant worried about future deportation would say. As are all comments that are anti UKIP most probably.[/p][/quote]Nope. its the sort of comment that comes from an ex British Army soldier who has been to plenty of failed states that embrace right wing ideologies, and who has heard this sort of UKIP rhetoric before.[/p][/quote]The currant situation is that the EU is buying the allegiance of the Eastern European states with our children’s futures it has nothing to do with left or right its traitors or patriots. I believe you would have taken an oath to defend queen and country do your duty. ORACUS
  • Score: 3

10:23am Sun 31 Aug 14

Howard Cháse says...

ORACUS wrote:
jayman wrote:
ORACUS wrote:
jayman wrote:
There is and always has been a threat from without that fosters within us as a society, ever more extreme practices and ideas that make our way of living more bleak, more conservative and more strict.

This is the ultimate zero-sum game, where all our best values are compromised in the name of preservation, to protect our favourite imaginary recollection that the past was in some way better, or that there has ever been a single point in history where we have been more then we are today. We are promised our past, We are promised that idyllic past that never existed. There is always a cost for this, this cost is calculated by the men who stand behind the lectern and its sweet , plentiful potential is projected from it and the 'sacrifices' cheer from below it.

A whole society cannot be 'reset to factory settings' UKIP pretend this is a possibility.
Just the sort of thing an EU migrant worried about future deportation would say.
As are all comments that are anti UKIP most probably.
Nope. its the sort of comment that comes from an ex British Army soldier who has been to plenty of failed states that embrace right wing ideologies, and who has heard this sort of UKIP rhetoric before.
The currant situation is that the EU is buying the allegiance of the Eastern European states with our children’s futures it has nothing to do with left or right its traitors or patriots.
I believe you would have taken an oath to defend queen and country do your duty.
How's the raisin and sultana situation?
[quote][p][bold]ORACUS[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jayman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ORACUS[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jayman[/bold] wrote: There is and always has been a threat from without that fosters within us as a society, ever more extreme practices and ideas that make our way of living more bleak, more conservative and more strict. This is the ultimate zero-sum game, where all our best values are compromised in the name of preservation, to protect our favourite imaginary recollection that the past was in some way better, or that there has ever been a single point in history where we have been more then we are today. We are promised our past, We are promised that idyllic past that never existed. There is always a cost for this, this cost is calculated by the men who stand behind the lectern and its sweet , plentiful potential is projected from it and the 'sacrifices' cheer from below it. A whole society cannot be 'reset to factory settings' UKIP pretend this is a possibility.[/p][/quote]Just the sort of thing an EU migrant worried about future deportation would say. As are all comments that are anti UKIP most probably.[/p][/quote]Nope. its the sort of comment that comes from an ex British Army soldier who has been to plenty of failed states that embrace right wing ideologies, and who has heard this sort of UKIP rhetoric before.[/p][/quote]The currant situation is that the EU is buying the allegiance of the Eastern European states with our children’s futures it has nothing to do with left or right its traitors or patriots. I believe you would have taken an oath to defend queen and country do your duty.[/p][/quote]How's the raisin and sultana situation? Howard Cháse
  • Score: 2

10:36am Sun 31 Aug 14

ORACUS says...

Howard Cháse wrote:
ORACUS wrote:
jayman wrote:
ORACUS wrote:
jayman wrote:
There is and always has been a threat from without that fosters within us as a society, ever more extreme practices and ideas that make our way of living more bleak, more conservative and more strict.

This is the ultimate zero-sum game, where all our best values are compromised in the name of preservation, to protect our favourite imaginary recollection that the past was in some way better, or that there has ever been a single point in history where we have been more then we are today. We are promised our past, We are promised that idyllic past that never existed. There is always a cost for this, this cost is calculated by the men who stand behind the lectern and its sweet , plentiful potential is projected from it and the 'sacrifices' cheer from below it.

A whole society cannot be 'reset to factory settings' UKIP pretend this is a possibility.
Just the sort of thing an EU migrant worried about future deportation would say.
As are all comments that are anti UKIP most probably.
Nope. its the sort of comment that comes from an ex British Army soldier who has been to plenty of failed states that embrace right wing ideologies, and who has heard this sort of UKIP rhetoric before.
The currant situation is that the EU is buying the allegiance of the Eastern European states with our children’s futures it has nothing to do with left or right its traitors or patriots.
I believe you would have taken an oath to defend queen and country do your duty.
How's the raisin and sultana situation?
I will check my spelling in future and I will make a point of checking yours.
[quote][p][bold]Howard Cháse[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ORACUS[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jayman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ORACUS[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jayman[/bold] wrote: There is and always has been a threat from without that fosters within us as a society, ever more extreme practices and ideas that make our way of living more bleak, more conservative and more strict. This is the ultimate zero-sum game, where all our best values are compromised in the name of preservation, to protect our favourite imaginary recollection that the past was in some way better, or that there has ever been a single point in history where we have been more then we are today. We are promised our past, We are promised that idyllic past that never existed. There is always a cost for this, this cost is calculated by the men who stand behind the lectern and its sweet , plentiful potential is projected from it and the 'sacrifices' cheer from below it. A whole society cannot be 'reset to factory settings' UKIP pretend this is a possibility.[/p][/quote]Just the sort of thing an EU migrant worried about future deportation would say. As are all comments that are anti UKIP most probably.[/p][/quote]Nope. its the sort of comment that comes from an ex British Army soldier who has been to plenty of failed states that embrace right wing ideologies, and who has heard this sort of UKIP rhetoric before.[/p][/quote]The currant situation is that the EU is buying the allegiance of the Eastern European states with our children’s futures it has nothing to do with left or right its traitors or patriots. I believe you would have taken an oath to defend queen and country do your duty.[/p][/quote]How's the raisin and sultana situation?[/p][/quote]I will check my spelling in future and I will make a point of checking yours. ORACUS
  • Score: -1

10:42am Sun 31 Aug 14

Kim Gandy says...

jayman wrote:
Headline should be 'slime finds damper rock to hide under'.

UKIP represent everything (opinion and ideology) that is to be loathed and dismissed.

what are UKIP's policies on

. Education
. Defence
. Taxation
. Foreign policy
. Law and policing
. Constitution
. Health
. Spending
. Housing
. Economy
. Buisness

there are only two areas of government that UKIP have provided a policy on

. Europe
. Immigration

UKIP are silver tongued, snake oil salesman who answer complex and valid questions with vague, Europe and immigration based answers without providing and content whatsoever.
I am no supporter of UKIP and do you want to know why?

Because far from being extreme right it is leaning further to the left as the membership is increasing in number with far left fascists like you. FACT.

There is an internal battle going on in UKIP to try and rid itself of such parasites. Think about it. UKIP is riding high in the political charts. That must be stopped at all costs so state-sponsored UAF lefties are parachuted in at top level.

And before you others throw up your hands in disbelief, it is a FACT and at some point it will be dragged out in the open. The DECENT UKIP candidates/councillo
rs/activists are not pushed to the front by the national party. Ask yourself why Basildon, UKIP's biggest success on May 22nd is not being promoted by the party in its top parliamentary campaigns next year. And the names that are deserving of most recognition in UKIP are only known locally.

Get real.

I am a former UKIP member, activist and candidate and let my membership lapse because UKIP management and youth movement, Young Independence, has been infiltrated by UAF urine throwers like yourself.

There are decent people who remain and are doing a great job but I take issue with you over their manifesto.

Farage is set to reveal that very soon and they already had a manifesto in place with regard to the above issues you raise but you are too boneheaded and idle to seek them out for yourself. They have been on the UKIP website for years but I dread to think what the new, rethought manifesto will set out, as it has been penned by another UKIP resident lefty Timur Aker, their policy geek and newly elected MEP, a misogynist with some very strange connections with both far left and far right. Far left and far right are so close together you couldn't get a fag paper between them. They're all cut from the same cloth.

As for "slime", I'd count yourself among the slime that infests the lower - and upper - ranks of the vile Labour party. And the utterly poisonous and degrading UAF.

Tell me, what's slimier than supporting paedophiles and upholding their right to rape and abuse children just in case penalising the perpetrators "offends" a minority? Eh mouthpiece? Can you think of anything slimier than that?

What's slimier than the police breaking into a flat where several Pakistani men were in the act of raping an under age girl but charging the girl for being drunk because they'd plied her with drink?

ALL OF THE ABOVE CONDONED BY A LABOUR COUNCIL, LABOUR SOCIAL WORKERS AND A LABOUR HEAD OF CHILDREN'S SERVICES, NOW POLICE CRIME COMMISSIONER, NONE OF WHOM HAVE BEEN HELD TO ACCOUNT - AND ONLY EIGHT ARRESTS OF PERPETRATORS. Once again, LEFTIES.

The UKIP members/councilIors I know would NEVER tolerate that (with the possible exception of the UAF infiltrators among them)

Go on then slimeball, name me something slimier than that if you want to justify your usual disgusting, vile, filthy, Leftwing doctrine.
[quote][p][bold]jayman[/bold] wrote: Headline should be 'slime finds damper rock to hide under'. UKIP represent everything (opinion and ideology) that is to be loathed and dismissed. what are UKIP's policies on . Education . Defence . Taxation . Foreign policy . Law and policing . Constitution . Health . Spending . Housing . Economy . Buisness there are only two areas of government that UKIP have provided a policy on . Europe . Immigration UKIP are silver tongued, snake oil salesman who answer complex and valid questions with vague, Europe and immigration based answers without providing and content whatsoever.[/p][/quote]I am no supporter of UKIP and do you want to know why? Because far from being extreme right it is leaning further to the left as the membership is increasing in number with far left fascists like you. FACT. There is an internal battle going on in UKIP to try and rid itself of such parasites. Think about it. UKIP is riding high in the political charts. That must be stopped at all costs so state-sponsored UAF lefties are parachuted in at top level. And before you others throw up your hands in disbelief, it is a FACT and at some point it will be dragged out in the open. The DECENT UKIP candidates/councillo rs/activists are not pushed to the front by the national party. Ask yourself why Basildon, UKIP's biggest success on May 22nd is not being promoted by the party in its top parliamentary campaigns next year. And the names that are deserving of most recognition in UKIP are only known locally. Get real. I am a former UKIP member, activist and candidate and let my membership lapse because UKIP management and youth movement, Young Independence, has been infiltrated by UAF urine throwers like yourself. There are decent people who remain and are doing a great job but I take issue with you over their manifesto. Farage is set to reveal that very soon and they already had a manifesto in place with regard to the above issues you raise but you are too boneheaded and idle to seek them out for yourself. They have been on the UKIP website for years but I dread to think what the new, rethought manifesto will set out, as it has been penned by another UKIP resident lefty Timur Aker, their policy geek and newly elected MEP, a misogynist with some very strange connections with both far left and far right. Far left and far right are so close together you couldn't get a fag paper between them. They're all cut from the same cloth. As for "slime", I'd count yourself among the slime that infests the lower - and upper - ranks of the vile Labour party. And the utterly poisonous and degrading UAF. Tell me, what's slimier than supporting paedophiles and upholding their right to rape and abuse children just in case penalising the perpetrators "offends" a minority? Eh mouthpiece? Can you think of anything slimier than that? What's slimier than the police breaking into a flat where several Pakistani men were in the act of raping an under age girl but charging the girl for being drunk because they'd plied her with drink? ALL OF THE ABOVE CONDONED BY A LABOUR COUNCIL, LABOUR SOCIAL WORKERS AND A LABOUR HEAD OF CHILDREN'S SERVICES, NOW POLICE CRIME COMMISSIONER, NONE OF WHOM HAVE BEEN HELD TO ACCOUNT - AND ONLY EIGHT ARRESTS OF PERPETRATORS. Once again, LEFTIES. The UKIP members/councilIors I know would NEVER tolerate that (with the possible exception of the UAF infiltrators among them) Go on then slimeball, name me something slimier than that if you want to justify your usual disgusting, vile, filthy, Leftwing doctrine. Kim Gandy
  • Score: -1

11:50am Sun 31 Aug 14

ORACUS says...

All this left and right crap if your for UKIP your a patriot if your not your a traitor trying to destroy our country its that simple.
All the government have to do is give us a referendum on EU membership every ten years or so and UKIP will just disappear like they never existed that’s all people want the right to choose.
All this left and right crap if your for UKIP your a patriot if your not your a traitor trying to destroy our country its that simple. All the government have to do is give us a referendum on EU membership every ten years or so and UKIP will just disappear like they never existed that’s all people want the right to choose. ORACUS
  • Score: 0

12:01pm Sun 31 Aug 14

DAGASMAN says...

jayman wrote:
Headline should be 'slime finds damper rock to hide under'.

UKIP represent everything (opinion and ideology) that is to be loathed and dismissed.

what are UKIP's policies on

. Education
. Defence
. Taxation
. Foreign policy
. Law and policing
. Constitution
. Health
. Spending
. Housing
. Economy
. Buisness

there are only two areas of government that UKIP have provided a policy on

. Europe
. Immigration

UKIP are silver tongued, snake oil salesman who answer complex and valid questions with vague, Europe and immigration based answers without providing and content whatsoever.
Have you never looked at their website? You can download their manifestos and read their policies on many things there, you're moaning you dont know what their policies on certain things are when they are clearly there to read, you clearly know nothing about UKIP youre just a typical leftie, you dislike them because they are on the right, not because of anything they have said or done, you cant bare to see how unpopular the left has become so youre throwing a tantrum and blaming UKIP
[quote][p][bold]jayman[/bold] wrote: Headline should be 'slime finds damper rock to hide under'. UKIP represent everything (opinion and ideology) that is to be loathed and dismissed. what are UKIP's policies on . Education . Defence . Taxation . Foreign policy . Law and policing . Constitution . Health . Spending . Housing . Economy . Buisness there are only two areas of government that UKIP have provided a policy on . Europe . Immigration UKIP are silver tongued, snake oil salesman who answer complex and valid questions with vague, Europe and immigration based answers without providing and content whatsoever.[/p][/quote]Have you never looked at their website? You can download their manifestos and read their policies on many things there, you're moaning you dont know what their policies on certain things are when they are clearly there to read, you clearly know nothing about UKIP youre just a typical leftie, you dislike them because they are on the right, not because of anything they have said or done, you cant bare to see how unpopular the left has become so youre throwing a tantrum and blaming UKIP DAGASMAN
  • Score: 4

12:16pm Sun 31 Aug 14

ThisYear says...

Kim Gandy wrote:
jayman wrote:
Headline should be 'slime finds damper rock to hide under'.

UKIP represent everything (opinion and ideology) that is to be loathed and dismissed.

what are UKIP's policies on

. Education
. Defence
. Taxation
. Foreign policy
. Law and policing
. Constitution
. Health
. Spending
. Housing
. Economy
. Buisness

there are only two areas of government that UKIP have provided a policy on

. Europe
. Immigration

UKIP are silver tongued, snake oil salesman who answer complex and valid questions with vague, Europe and immigration based answers without providing and content whatsoever.
I am no supporter of UKIP and do you want to know why?

Because far from being extreme right it is leaning further to the left as the membership is increasing in number with far left fascists like you. FACT.

There is an internal battle going on in UKIP to try and rid itself of such parasites. Think about it. UKIP is riding high in the political charts. That must be stopped at all costs so state-sponsored UAF lefties are parachuted in at top level.

And before you others throw up your hands in disbelief, it is a FACT and at some point it will be dragged out in the open. The DECENT UKIP candidates/councillo

rs/activists are not pushed to the front by the national party. Ask yourself why Basildon, UKIP's biggest success on May 22nd is not being promoted by the party in its top parliamentary campaigns next year. And the names that are deserving of most recognition in UKIP are only known locally.

Get real.

I am a former UKIP member, activist and candidate and let my membership lapse because UKIP management and youth movement, Young Independence, has been infiltrated by UAF urine throwers like yourself.

There are decent people who remain and are doing a great job but I take issue with you over their manifesto.

Farage is set to reveal that very soon and they already had a manifesto in place with regard to the above issues you raise but you are too boneheaded and idle to seek them out for yourself. They have been on the UKIP website for years but I dread to think what the new, rethought manifesto will set out, as it has been penned by another UKIP resident lefty Timur Aker, their policy geek and newly elected MEP, a misogynist with some very strange connections with both far left and far right. Far left and far right are so close together you couldn't get a fag paper between them. They're all cut from the same cloth.

As for "slime", I'd count yourself among the slime that infests the lower - and upper - ranks of the vile Labour party. And the utterly poisonous and degrading UAF.

Tell me, what's slimier than supporting paedophiles and upholding their right to rape and abuse children just in case penalising the perpetrators "offends" a minority? Eh mouthpiece? Can you think of anything slimier than that?

What's slimier than the police breaking into a flat where several Pakistani men were in the act of raping an under age girl but charging the girl for being drunk because they'd plied her with drink?

ALL OF THE ABOVE CONDONED BY A LABOUR COUNCIL, LABOUR SOCIAL WORKERS AND A LABOUR HEAD OF CHILDREN'S SERVICES, NOW POLICE CRIME COMMISSIONER, NONE OF WHOM HAVE BEEN HELD TO ACCOUNT - AND ONLY EIGHT ARRESTS OF PERPETRATORS. Once again, LEFTIES.

The UKIP members/councilIors I know would NEVER tolerate that (with the possible exception of the UAF infiltrators among them)

Go on then slimeball, name me something slimier than that if you want to justify your usual disgusting, vile, filthy, Leftwing doctrine.
You ranting post exposes more about you than you know or perhaps want

"I am no supporter of UKIP and do you want to know why?

Because far from being extreme right etc etc"

Is this proof that you are indeed an extreme rightist?

"There is an internal battle going on in UKIP to try and rid itself of such parasites"

So you think UKIP has to be elitist and only for extreme right-winger?

" UAF lefties are parachuted in at top level"

Who within the UKIP has the power and where for-all to do this? This permission to 'parachuting in' must be agreed at the very top of the manure pile...are you implying that UKIP are a fake party...there to let the electorate let of steam?


"The DECENT UKIP candidates/councillo rs/activists are not pushed to the front by the national party. Ask yourself why Basildon, UKIP's biggest success on May 22nd is not being promoted by the party in its top parliamentary campaigns next year. And the names that are deserving of most recognition in UKIP are only known locally"

" Farage is set to reveal"


Is not Farage the head honcho? If so isn't he the one who decides or helps decide who should be promoted...or are you suggesting he is not in charge of the party?

"Ask yourself why Basildon, UKIP's biggest success on May 22nd is not being promoted by the party in its top parliamentary campaigns next year"

Perhaps people need to ask Farage this question! Surely it is one he knows..strange how you haven't asked such questions Gandy.

To use the abuse of children to further you political point is disgusting...but then you are a disgusting woman aren't you Gandy?
[quote][p][bold]Kim Gandy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jayman[/bold] wrote: Headline should be 'slime finds damper rock to hide under'. UKIP represent everything (opinion and ideology) that is to be loathed and dismissed. what are UKIP's policies on . Education . Defence . Taxation . Foreign policy . Law and policing . Constitution . Health . Spending . Housing . Economy . Buisness there are only two areas of government that UKIP have provided a policy on . Europe . Immigration UKIP are silver tongued, snake oil salesman who answer complex and valid questions with vague, Europe and immigration based answers without providing and content whatsoever.[/p][/quote]I am no supporter of UKIP and do you want to know why? Because far from being extreme right it is leaning further to the left as the membership is increasing in number with far left fascists like you. FACT. There is an internal battle going on in UKIP to try and rid itself of such parasites. Think about it. UKIP is riding high in the political charts. That must be stopped at all costs so state-sponsored UAF lefties are parachuted in at top level. And before you others throw up your hands in disbelief, it is a FACT and at some point it will be dragged out in the open. The DECENT UKIP candidates/councillo rs/activists are not pushed to the front by the national party. Ask yourself why Basildon, UKIP's biggest success on May 22nd is not being promoted by the party in its top parliamentary campaigns next year. And the names that are deserving of most recognition in UKIP are only known locally. Get real. I am a former UKIP member, activist and candidate and let my membership lapse because UKIP management and youth movement, Young Independence, has been infiltrated by UAF urine throwers like yourself. There are decent people who remain and are doing a great job but I take issue with you over their manifesto. Farage is set to reveal that very soon and they already had a manifesto in place with regard to the above issues you raise but you are too boneheaded and idle to seek them out for yourself. They have been on the UKIP website for years but I dread to think what the new, rethought manifesto will set out, as it has been penned by another UKIP resident lefty Timur Aker, their policy geek and newly elected MEP, a misogynist with some very strange connections with both far left and far right. Far left and far right are so close together you couldn't get a fag paper between them. They're all cut from the same cloth. As for "slime", I'd count yourself among the slime that infests the lower - and upper - ranks of the vile Labour party. And the utterly poisonous and degrading UAF. Tell me, what's slimier than supporting paedophiles and upholding their right to rape and abuse children just in case penalising the perpetrators "offends" a minority? Eh mouthpiece? Can you think of anything slimier than that? What's slimier than the police breaking into a flat where several Pakistani men were in the act of raping an under age girl but charging the girl for being drunk because they'd plied her with drink? ALL OF THE ABOVE CONDONED BY A LABOUR COUNCIL, LABOUR SOCIAL WORKERS AND A LABOUR HEAD OF CHILDREN'S SERVICES, NOW POLICE CRIME COMMISSIONER, NONE OF WHOM HAVE BEEN HELD TO ACCOUNT - AND ONLY EIGHT ARRESTS OF PERPETRATORS. Once again, LEFTIES. The UKIP members/councilIors I know would NEVER tolerate that (with the possible exception of the UAF infiltrators among them) Go on then slimeball, name me something slimier than that if you want to justify your usual disgusting, vile, filthy, Leftwing doctrine.[/p][/quote]You ranting post exposes more about you than you know or perhaps want "I am no supporter of UKIP and do you want to know why? Because far from being extreme right etc etc" Is this proof that you are indeed an extreme rightist? "There is an internal battle going on in UKIP to try and rid itself of such parasites" So you think UKIP has to be elitist and only for extreme right-winger? " UAF lefties are parachuted in at top level" Who within the UKIP has the power and where for-all to do this? This permission to 'parachuting in' must be agreed at the very top of the manure pile...are you implying that UKIP are a fake party...there to let the electorate let of steam? "The DECENT UKIP candidates/councillo rs/activists are not pushed to the front by the national party. Ask yourself why Basildon, UKIP's biggest success on May 22nd is not being promoted by the party in its top parliamentary campaigns next year. And the names that are deserving of most recognition in UKIP are only known locally" " Farage is set to reveal" Is not Farage the head honcho? If so isn't he the one who decides or helps decide who should be promoted...or are you suggesting he is not in charge of the party? "Ask yourself why Basildon, UKIP's biggest success on May 22nd is not being promoted by the party in its top parliamentary campaigns next year" Perhaps people need to ask Farage this question! Surely it is one he knows..strange how you haven't asked such questions Gandy. To use the abuse of children to further you political point is disgusting...but then you are a disgusting woman aren't you Gandy? ThisYear
  • Score: -1

12:20pm Sun 31 Aug 14

ThisYear says...

DAGASMAN wrote:
jayman wrote:
Headline should be 'slime finds damper rock to hide under'.

UKIP represent everything (opinion and ideology) that is to be loathed and dismissed.

what are UKIP's policies on

. Education
. Defence
. Taxation
. Foreign policy
. Law and policing
. Constitution
. Health
. Spending
. Housing
. Economy
. Buisness

there are only two areas of government that UKIP have provided a policy on

. Europe
. Immigration

UKIP are silver tongued, snake oil salesman who answer complex and valid questions with vague, Europe and immigration based answers without providing and content whatsoever.
Have you never looked at their website? You can download their manifestos and read their policies on many things there, you're moaning you dont know what their policies on certain things are when they are clearly there to read, you clearly know nothing about UKIP youre just a typical leftie, you dislike them because they are on the right, not because of anything they have said or done, you cant bare to see how unpopular the left has become so youre throwing a tantrum and blaming UKIP
Have you no argument with Gandy when she implies UKIP is being taken over by 'Lefties'?

And that these top notch lefties are being parachuted into positions of power by the leadership of UKIP.

Any comment on Gandys 'insider' information?
[quote][p][bold]DAGASMAN[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jayman[/bold] wrote: Headline should be 'slime finds damper rock to hide under'. UKIP represent everything (opinion and ideology) that is to be loathed and dismissed. what are UKIP's policies on . Education . Defence . Taxation . Foreign policy . Law and policing . Constitution . Health . Spending . Housing . Economy . Buisness there are only two areas of government that UKIP have provided a policy on . Europe . Immigration UKIP are silver tongued, snake oil salesman who answer complex and valid questions with vague, Europe and immigration based answers without providing and content whatsoever.[/p][/quote]Have you never looked at their website? You can download their manifestos and read their policies on many things there, you're moaning you dont know what their policies on certain things are when they are clearly there to read, you clearly know nothing about UKIP youre just a typical leftie, you dislike them because they are on the right, not because of anything they have said or done, you cant bare to see how unpopular the left has become so youre throwing a tantrum and blaming UKIP[/p][/quote]Have you no argument with Gandy when she implies UKIP is being taken over by 'Lefties'? And that these top notch lefties are being parachuted into positions of power by the leadership of UKIP. Any comment on Gandys 'insider' information? ThisYear
  • Score: -1

12:33pm Sun 31 Aug 14

ThisYear says...

ORACUS wrote:
ThisYear wrote:
Alekhine wrote:
ThisYear wrote:
Alekhine wrote:
ThisYear wrote:
DAGASMAN wrote:
jayman wrote:
There is and always has been a threat from without that fosters within us as a society, ever more extreme practices and ideas that make our way of living more bleak, more conservative and more strict.

This is the ultimate zero-sum game, where all our best values are compromised in the name of preservation, to protect our favourite imaginary recollection that the past was in some way better, or that there has ever been a single point in history where we have been more then we are today. We are promised our past, We are promised that idyllic past that never existed. There is always a cost for this, this cost is calculated by the men who stand behind the lectern and its sweet , plentiful potential is projected from it and the 'sacrifices' cheer from below it.

A whole society cannot be 'reset to factory settings' UKIP pretend this is a possibility.
Oh give it a rest mate, you love to bleat on dont you, talk about melodrama! "and if you vote UKIP there shall be a plague of locusts and it will rain everyday and it will just be winter all year, and they will bring back chimney sweeps" https://pbs.twimg.co







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Ukip are just another set of rats from the same nest...to think they are any different is the height of ignorance, stupidity, naivety and wishful thinking...
What difference does it make to you. You don't vote anyway. A fact you seem very proud of for reasons unknown.
What difference does it make to you what difference it makes to me?

My comment stands...Ukip are just another lot of rats with different colour rosettes!

Why on earth should anyone be proud of voting or not voting?

Isnt it simply a choice

I dont take sugar in my tea either...

Plonker.
Don't vote. Don't complain.
Is it not a fact that the majority of people in the country do not vote?
No the majority abstain from voting that in itself is a vote.
And its plainly obvious what your motivation is here if we leave the EU your traveller friends from the Republic of Ireland and you most probably would lose their right to be here.
You are so tranparent.
"Is it not a fact that the majority of people in the country do not vote?"

"No the majority abstain from voting that in itself is a vote."

You dont think your admittance that the majority of people 'abstain' from voting is the same as they not voting?

Oh dear...you think that the country deciding not to be part of the EU will mean rabid racists will be rounding up people born and bred here for generations and leading them to the docks...or perhaps else where?

The people termed Irish Travellers are in the main people who have been here for generations, and for many families centuries,..going right back to the 11th century..perhaps they may be leading you to the boats.

Your view of things is very 'transparent' but it isn't going to happen Adolf!
[quote][p][bold]ORACUS[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ThisYear[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Alekhine[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ThisYear[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Alekhine[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ThisYear[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]DAGASMAN[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jayman[/bold] wrote: There is and always has been a threat from without that fosters within us as a society, ever more extreme practices and ideas that make our way of living more bleak, more conservative and more strict. This is the ultimate zero-sum game, where all our best values are compromised in the name of preservation, to protect our favourite imaginary recollection that the past was in some way better, or that there has ever been a single point in history where we have been more then we are today. We are promised our past, We are promised that idyllic past that never existed. There is always a cost for this, this cost is calculated by the men who stand behind the lectern and its sweet , plentiful potential is projected from it and the 'sacrifices' cheer from below it. A whole society cannot be 'reset to factory settings' UKIP pretend this is a possibility.[/p][/quote]Oh give it a rest mate, you love to bleat on dont you, talk about melodrama! "and if you vote UKIP there shall be a plague of locusts and it will rain everyday and it will just be winter all year, and they will bring back chimney sweeps" https://pbs.twimg.co m/media/BqPVdtLIIAAW 72t.jpg[/p][/quote]Ukip are just another set of rats from the same nest...to think they are any different is the height of ignorance, stupidity, naivety and wishful thinking...[/p][/quote]What difference does it make to you. You don't vote anyway. A fact you seem very proud of for reasons unknown.[/p][/quote]What difference does it make to you what difference it makes to me? My comment stands...Ukip are just another lot of rats with different colour rosettes! Why on earth should anyone be proud of voting or not voting? Isnt it simply a choice I dont take sugar in my tea either... Plonker.[/p][/quote]Don't vote. Don't complain.[/p][/quote]Is it not a fact that the majority of people in the country do not vote?[/p][/quote]No the majority abstain from voting that in itself is a vote. And its plainly obvious what your motivation is here if we leave the EU your traveller friends from the Republic of Ireland and you most probably would lose their right to be here. You are so tranparent.[/p][/quote]"Is it not a fact that the majority of people in the country do not vote?" "No the majority abstain from voting that in itself is a vote." You dont think your admittance that the majority of people 'abstain' from voting is the same as they not voting? Oh dear...you think that the country deciding not to be part of the EU will mean rabid racists will be rounding up people born and bred here for generations and leading them to the docks...or perhaps else where? The people termed Irish Travellers are in the main people who have been here for generations, and for many families centuries,..going right back to the 11th century..perhaps they may be leading you to the boats. Your view of things is very 'transparent' but it isn't going to happen Adolf! ThisYear
  • Score: -2

12:44pm Sun 31 Aug 14

DAGASMAN says...

ThisYear wrote:
DAGASMAN wrote:
jayman wrote:
Headline should be 'slime finds damper rock to hide under'.

UKIP represent everything (opinion and ideology) that is to be loathed and dismissed.

what are UKIP's policies on

. Education
. Defence
. Taxation
. Foreign policy
. Law and policing
. Constitution
. Health
. Spending
. Housing
. Economy
. Buisness

there are only two areas of government that UKIP have provided a policy on

. Europe
. Immigration

UKIP are silver tongued, snake oil salesman who answer complex and valid questions with vague, Europe and immigration based answers without providing and content whatsoever.
Have you never looked at their website? You can download their manifestos and read their policies on many things there, you're moaning you dont know what their policies on certain things are when they are clearly there to read, you clearly know nothing about UKIP youre just a typical leftie, you dislike them because they are on the right, not because of anything they have said or done, you cant bare to see how unpopular the left has become so youre throwing a tantrum and blaming UKIP
Have you no argument with Gandy when she implies UKIP is being taken over by 'Lefties'?

And that these top notch lefties are being parachuted into positions of power by the leadership of UKIP.

Any comment on Gandys 'insider' information?
It wouldn't suprise me in the slightest, the left are by far the biggest fascists around, they could never just sit there and allow the british public to vote for who they want to vote for if its not who the left want them to vote for, of course people like UAF would seek to put a stop to that, thats why people despise groups like them, they have anti-semites and radical islamists in their ranks, they are only against fascism by name, everything else about them is fascist by definition. Kinda like how you utterly refuse to accept travellers ever do anything wrong, even when confronted by news articles & victims and just put it all down to racist propaganda
[quote][p][bold]ThisYear[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]DAGASMAN[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jayman[/bold] wrote: Headline should be 'slime finds damper rock to hide under'. UKIP represent everything (opinion and ideology) that is to be loathed and dismissed. what are UKIP's policies on . Education . Defence . Taxation . Foreign policy . Law and policing . Constitution . Health . Spending . Housing . Economy . Buisness there are only two areas of government that UKIP have provided a policy on . Europe . Immigration UKIP are silver tongued, snake oil salesman who answer complex and valid questions with vague, Europe and immigration based answers without providing and content whatsoever.[/p][/quote]Have you never looked at their website? You can download their manifestos and read their policies on many things there, you're moaning you dont know what their policies on certain things are when they are clearly there to read, you clearly know nothing about UKIP youre just a typical leftie, you dislike them because they are on the right, not because of anything they have said or done, you cant bare to see how unpopular the left has become so youre throwing a tantrum and blaming UKIP[/p][/quote]Have you no argument with Gandy when she implies UKIP is being taken over by 'Lefties'? And that these top notch lefties are being parachuted into positions of power by the leadership of UKIP. Any comment on Gandys 'insider' information?[/p][/quote]It wouldn't suprise me in the slightest, the left are by far the biggest fascists around, they could never just sit there and allow the british public to vote for who they want to vote for if its not who the left want them to vote for, of course people like UAF would seek to put a stop to that, thats why people despise groups like them, they have anti-semites and radical islamists in their ranks, they are only against fascism by name, everything else about them is fascist by definition. Kinda like how you utterly refuse to accept travellers ever do anything wrong, even when confronted by news articles & victims and just put it all down to racist propaganda DAGASMAN
  • Score: 5

1:02pm Sun 31 Aug 14

ThisYear says...

DAGASMAN wrote:
ThisYear wrote:
DAGASMAN wrote:
jayman wrote:
Headline should be 'slime finds damper rock to hide under'.

UKIP represent everything (opinion and ideology) that is to be loathed and dismissed.

what are UKIP's policies on

. Education
. Defence
. Taxation
. Foreign policy
. Law and policing
. Constitution
. Health
. Spending
. Housing
. Economy
. Buisness

there are only two areas of government that UKIP have provided a policy on

. Europe
. Immigration

UKIP are silver tongued, snake oil salesman who answer complex and valid questions with vague, Europe and immigration based answers without providing and content whatsoever.
Have you never looked at their website? You can download their manifestos and read their policies on many things there, you're moaning you dont know what their policies on certain things are when they are clearly there to read, you clearly know nothing about UKIP youre just a typical leftie, you dislike them because they are on the right, not because of anything they have said or done, you cant bare to see how unpopular the left has become so youre throwing a tantrum and blaming UKIP
Have you no argument with Gandy when she implies UKIP is being taken over by 'Lefties'?

And that these top notch lefties are being parachuted into positions of power by the leadership of UKIP.

Any comment on Gandys 'insider' information?
It wouldn't suprise me in the slightest, the left are by far the biggest fascists around, they could never just sit there and allow the british public to vote for who they want to vote for if its not who the left want them to vote for, of course people like UAF would seek to put a stop to that, thats why people despise groups like them, they have anti-semites and radical islamists in their ranks, they are only against fascism by name, everything else about them is fascist by definition. Kinda like how you utterly refuse to accept travellers ever do anything wrong, even when confronted by news articles & victims and just put it all down to racist propaganda
It could be said that every person who votes is a fascist narcissist!

In that they want who they want to be in power.. at the cost of anothers choice/voice.

left right and in the middle all looking for their views and ideas to be forced on others who dont want or agree with them...

So the word fascist is a redundant one. imho.

I of course except there are small numbers of any community that are criminal and bring shame on the rest of the community

BUT i dont except a community should be recognised as being the same as that minority!

Within the wider community (society) there are many sickening groups of people...child abusers, rapist, murderers etc.. should all of the wider community by identified through them?

Should you?
[quote][p][bold]DAGASMAN[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ThisYear[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]DAGASMAN[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jayman[/bold] wrote: Headline should be 'slime finds damper rock to hide under'. UKIP represent everything (opinion and ideology) that is to be loathed and dismissed. what are UKIP's policies on . Education . Defence . Taxation . Foreign policy . Law and policing . Constitution . Health . Spending . Housing . Economy . Buisness there are only two areas of government that UKIP have provided a policy on . Europe . Immigration UKIP are silver tongued, snake oil salesman who answer complex and valid questions with vague, Europe and immigration based answers without providing and content whatsoever.[/p][/quote]Have you never looked at their website? You can download their manifestos and read their policies on many things there, you're moaning you dont know what their policies on certain things are when they are clearly there to read, you clearly know nothing about UKIP youre just a typical leftie, you dislike them because they are on the right, not because of anything they have said or done, you cant bare to see how unpopular the left has become so youre throwing a tantrum and blaming UKIP[/p][/quote]Have you no argument with Gandy when she implies UKIP is being taken over by 'Lefties'? And that these top notch lefties are being parachuted into positions of power by the leadership of UKIP. Any comment on Gandys 'insider' information?[/p][/quote]It wouldn't suprise me in the slightest, the left are by far the biggest fascists around, they could never just sit there and allow the british public to vote for who they want to vote for if its not who the left want them to vote for, of course people like UAF would seek to put a stop to that, thats why people despise groups like them, they have anti-semites and radical islamists in their ranks, they are only against fascism by name, everything else about them is fascist by definition. Kinda like how you utterly refuse to accept travellers ever do anything wrong, even when confronted by news articles & victims and just put it all down to racist propaganda[/p][/quote]It could be said that every person who votes is a fascist narcissist! In that they want who they want to be in power.. at the cost of anothers choice/voice. left right and in the middle all looking for their views and ideas to be forced on others who dont want or agree with them... So the word fascist is a redundant one. imho. I of course except there are small numbers of any community that are criminal and bring shame on the rest of the community BUT i dont except a community should be recognised as being the same as that minority! Within the wider community (society) there are many sickening groups of people...child abusers, rapist, murderers etc.. should all of the wider community by identified through them? Should you? ThisYear
  • Score: -4

1:07pm Sun 31 Aug 14

jayman says...

DAGASMAN wrote:
jayman wrote:
Headline should be 'slime finds damper rock to hide under'.

UKIP represent everything (opinion and ideology) that is to be loathed and dismissed.

what are UKIP's policies on

. Education
. Defence
. Taxation
. Foreign policy
. Law and policing
. Constitution
. Health
. Spending
. Housing
. Economy
. Buisness

there are only two areas of government that UKIP have provided a policy on

. Europe
. Immigration

UKIP are silver tongued, snake oil salesman who answer complex and valid questions with vague, Europe and immigration based answers without providing and content whatsoever.
Have you never looked at their website? You can download their manifestos and read their policies on many things there, you're moaning you dont know what their policies on certain things are when they are clearly there to read, you clearly know nothing about UKIP youre just a typical leftie, you dislike them because they are on the right, not because of anything they have said or done, you cant bare to see how unpopular the left has become so youre throwing a tantrum and blaming UKIP
They don't have a manifesto. they have a 2014 'local manifesto' which comprises of nothing more then vague wishful thinking, basic mission statements and a bizarre 'print and display at home' poster and a form for membership.

their European manifesto follows the same format.

not a single practical costing for how any of their policies are going to be funded.

Oh. I love their stance on Grammar schools. More of them! Great for the middle classes I suppose. No mention of mainstream schools though. I guess they will simply pop a thatched roof on each school and be done with it..
[quote][p][bold]DAGASMAN[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jayman[/bold] wrote: Headline should be 'slime finds damper rock to hide under'. UKIP represent everything (opinion and ideology) that is to be loathed and dismissed. what are UKIP's policies on . Education . Defence . Taxation . Foreign policy . Law and policing . Constitution . Health . Spending . Housing . Economy . Buisness there are only two areas of government that UKIP have provided a policy on . Europe . Immigration UKIP are silver tongued, snake oil salesman who answer complex and valid questions with vague, Europe and immigration based answers without providing and content whatsoever.[/p][/quote]Have you never looked at their website? You can download their manifestos and read their policies on many things there, you're moaning you dont know what their policies on certain things are when they are clearly there to read, you clearly know nothing about UKIP youre just a typical leftie, you dislike them because they are on the right, not because of anything they have said or done, you cant bare to see how unpopular the left has become so youre throwing a tantrum and blaming UKIP[/p][/quote]They don't have a manifesto. they have a 2014 'local manifesto' which comprises of nothing more then vague wishful thinking, basic mission statements and a bizarre 'print and display at home' poster and a form for membership. their European manifesto follows the same format. not a single practical costing for how any of their policies are going to be funded. Oh. I love their stance on Grammar schools. More of them! Great for the middle classes I suppose. No mention of mainstream schools though. I guess they will simply pop a thatched roof on each school and be done with it.. jayman
  • Score: -3

1:41pm Sun 31 Aug 14

jayman says...

this is the em... 'substance of the UKIP manifesto.

1. Local referendums
It's time to bring power back to the people. So major decisions should be
subject to binding local referendums if the people demand it. On the petition
of 5% of the population within 3 months, major planning and service provision
decisions should be put to a local vote.
2. Regain control over development
Our housing, education, health and social services cannot cope with
constantly rising numbers of people coming to live and work here. The
government is now riding rough-shod over local people’s wishes with mass
house building that has become a ‘Developers’ Charter’ - without the new
services to go with it.
3. Prioritising services for local people
We must end benefit and health tourism and give priority to local people for
housing, education, health and social services. In planning, the local people's
opinions should be respected and not overruled.
4. Moving government closer to the people
We will provide incentives to encourage enterprise, attract jobs and regenerate
town centres, including developing empty properties and brown-field sites to
meet local housing needs.
5. Spending our money at home
Our membership of the EU costs £55m a day – and another £23m a day
goes out in foreign aid – while jobs, services and benefits are being cut at
home. UKIP believes that we should save that money to help rebuild our debtridden
economy.
6. F. We should overhaul the system to make sentences meaningful,
rehabilitate offenders, deport foreign criminals, free up the police from excessive
form-filling and tackle nuisance neighbours and anti-social behaviour.

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1) how are they going to fund so many local referendums? What is the criteria for having one? How is this going to improve voter turnout and decrease apathy?

2) yes.... but how?

3) once again... how?

4) "We will provide incentives to encourage enterprise".. Would that be in the form of a massive tax cut for millionaires by any chance?

5) this is my personal favourite.. "Spending our money at home
Our membership of the EU costs £55m a day" ... despite the fact that the UK economy makes millions and millions of pounds per day in trade with the EU. pulling out of EU linked trade deals would drop the UK into recession in about.....em.....0.0
0000000000142 seconds a devastating economic depression would soon follow. how would UKIP manage the traditional period whereby UK agriculture, business and local councils suddenly 'don't get' EU subsidies or grants. the UK's deficit would probably double over night. Oh.. and expect the UK's legal framework to descend into chaos as well. parliament will be busy 'backfilling' hundreds of pieces' of legislation that either reference EU directives or laws that have been test cased by/including them...

6).. "We should overhaul the system to make sentences meaningful,
rehabilitate offenders, deport foreign criminals, free up the police from excessive
form-filling and tackle nuisance neighbours and anti-social behaviour."

oh my.. parliament is going to be busy with passing all these laws and backfilling the ones that have been dropped into chaos.. "free up the police from excessive
form-filling" forms like em.. evidence forms. witness statements. yes, I suppose the criminal justice system will be busy as well. Throwing all those cases out due to 'lack of evidence'. I'm sure the victims of crime will be most pleased.

UKIP haven't got a clue.
this is the em... 'substance of the UKIP manifesto. 1. Local referendums It's time to bring power back to the people. So major decisions should be subject to binding local referendums if the people demand it. On the petition of 5% of the population within 3 months, major planning and service provision decisions should be put to a local vote. 2. Regain control over development Our housing, education, health and social services cannot cope with constantly rising numbers of people coming to live and work here. The government is now riding rough-shod over local people’s wishes with mass house building that has become a ‘Developers’ Charter’ - without the new services to go with it. 3. Prioritising services for local people We must end benefit and health tourism and give priority to local people for housing, education, health and social services. In planning, the local people's opinions should be respected and not overruled. 4. Moving government closer to the people We will provide incentives to encourage enterprise, attract jobs and regenerate town centres, including developing empty properties and brown-field sites to meet local housing needs. 5. Spending our money at home Our membership of the EU costs £55m a day – and another £23m a day goes out in foreign aid – while jobs, services and benefits are being cut at home. UKIP believes that we should save that money to help rebuild our debtridden economy. 6. F. We should overhaul the system to make sentences meaningful, rehabilitate offenders, deport foreign criminals, free up the police from excessive form-filling and tackle nuisance neighbours and anti-social behaviour. extracted from http://d3n8a8pro7vhm x.cloudfront.net/the mes/5308a93901925b5b 09000002/attachments /original/1397750311 /localmanifesto2014. pdf?1397750311 1) how are they going to fund so many local referendums? What is the criteria for having one? How is this going to improve voter turnout and decrease apathy? 2) yes.... but how? 3) once again... how? 4) "We will provide incentives to encourage enterprise".. Would that be in the form of a massive tax cut for millionaires by any chance? 5) this is my personal favourite.. "Spending our money at home Our membership of the EU costs £55m a day" ... despite the fact that the UK economy makes millions and millions of pounds per day in trade with the EU. pulling out of EU linked trade deals would drop the UK into recession in about.....em.....0.0 0000000000142 seconds a devastating economic depression would soon follow. how would UKIP manage the traditional period whereby UK agriculture, business and local councils suddenly 'don't get' EU subsidies or grants. the UK's deficit would probably double over night. Oh.. and expect the UK's legal framework to descend into chaos as well. parliament will be busy 'backfilling' hundreds of pieces' of legislation that either reference EU directives or laws that have been test cased by/including them... 6).. "We should overhaul the system to make sentences meaningful, rehabilitate offenders, deport foreign criminals, free up the police from excessive form-filling and tackle nuisance neighbours and anti-social behaviour." oh my.. parliament is going to be busy with passing all these laws and backfilling the ones that have been dropped into chaos.. "free up the police from excessive form-filling" forms like em.. evidence forms. witness statements. yes, I suppose the criminal justice system will be busy as well. Throwing all those cases out due to 'lack of evidence'. I'm sure the victims of crime will be most pleased. UKIP haven't got a clue. jayman
  • Score: -3

1:52pm Sun 31 Aug 14

Sensible Man says...

LABOUR = ROTHERHAM

ROTHERHAM = LABOUR.

How could anyone even CONSIDER voting Labour now that their comrades in Rotherham have shown their true colours - and the "sections" of the population that they are here to protect and represent??

ANYONE BUT LABOUR!!

REMEMBER ROTHERHAM!!!!
LABOUR = ROTHERHAM ROTHERHAM = LABOUR. How could anyone even CONSIDER voting Labour now that their comrades in Rotherham have shown their true colours - and the "sections" of the population that they are here to protect and represent?? ANYONE BUT LABOUR!! REMEMBER ROTHERHAM!!!! Sensible Man
  • Score: 3

2:14pm Sun 31 Aug 14

jayman says...

Sensible Man wrote:
LABOUR = ROTHERHAM

ROTHERHAM = LABOUR.

How could anyone even CONSIDER voting Labour now that their comrades in Rotherham have shown their true colours - and the "sections" of the population that they are here to protect and represent??

ANYONE BUT LABOUR!!

REMEMBER ROTHERHAM!!!!
I think you will find that its not Tory, lib dem or labour that run councils on a day to day basis. its council officers.

Here is an interesting article on the matter.

http://www.theguardi
an.com/society/2014/
aug/26/rotherham-sex
ual-abuse-children
[quote][p][bold]Sensible Man[/bold] wrote: LABOUR = ROTHERHAM ROTHERHAM = LABOUR. How could anyone even CONSIDER voting Labour now that their comrades in Rotherham have shown their true colours - and the "sections" of the population that they are here to protect and represent?? ANYONE BUT LABOUR!! REMEMBER ROTHERHAM!!!![/p][/quote]I think you will find that its not Tory, lib dem or labour that run councils on a day to day basis. its council officers. Here is an interesting article on the matter. http://www.theguardi an.com/society/2014/ aug/26/rotherham-sex ual-abuse-children jayman
  • Score: -7

2:26pm Sun 31 Aug 14

jayman says...

jayman wrote:
Sensible Man wrote:
LABOUR = ROTHERHAM

ROTHERHAM = LABOUR.

How could anyone even CONSIDER voting Labour now that their comrades in Rotherham have shown their true colours - and the "sections" of the population that they are here to protect and represent??

ANYONE BUT LABOUR!!

REMEMBER ROTHERHAM!!!!
I think you will find that its not Tory, lib dem or labour that run councils on a day to day basis. its council officers.

Here is an interesting article on the matter.

http://www.theguardi

an.com/society/2014/

aug/26/rotherham-sex

ual-abuse-children
If anything. this story highlights the fact that 'All' councils need a non-politically affiliated and professional childrens officer who has wide reaching judicial powers of investigation. This story also highlights that politically affiliated PCC's are a really bad idea.
[quote][p][bold]jayman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sensible Man[/bold] wrote: LABOUR = ROTHERHAM ROTHERHAM = LABOUR. How could anyone even CONSIDER voting Labour now that their comrades in Rotherham have shown their true colours - and the "sections" of the population that they are here to protect and represent?? ANYONE BUT LABOUR!! REMEMBER ROTHERHAM!!!![/p][/quote]I think you will find that its not Tory, lib dem or labour that run councils on a day to day basis. its council officers. Here is an interesting article on the matter. http://www.theguardi an.com/society/2014/ aug/26/rotherham-sex ual-abuse-children[/p][/quote]If anything. this story highlights the fact that 'All' councils need a non-politically affiliated and professional childrens officer who has wide reaching judicial powers of investigation. This story also highlights that politically affiliated PCC's are a really bad idea. jayman
  • Score: 1

11:30pm Sun 31 Aug 14

profondo asbo says...

Nebs wrote:
I don't think either Labour or Conservative parties will be too concerned about UKIP. Ignore your own opinions, ignore the media, and look for clues from those who are prepared to put their money where their mouth is, viz, the bookies.
Current odds on the number of seats UKIP will win at the general election are:
No seats at all 4/1
1 to 5 seats 4/6
6 or more seats 11/4
Those who think UKIP will do well should lump on the 11/4, those who think UKIP won't do well are in agreement with the bookies, and you never see a poor bookie.
i respectfully disagree. this is not about outright number of seats. it's about how the vote gets split. you don't see the bookies making markets in that.
[quote][p][bold]Nebs[/bold] wrote: I don't think either Labour or Conservative parties will be too concerned about UKIP. Ignore your own opinions, ignore the media, and look for clues from those who are prepared to put their money where their mouth is, viz, the bookies. Current odds on the number of seats UKIP will win at the general election are: No seats at all 4/1 1 to 5 seats 4/6 6 or more seats 11/4 Those who think UKIP will do well should lump on the 11/4, those who think UKIP won't do well are in agreement with the bookies, and you never see a poor bookie.[/p][/quote]i respectfully disagree. this is not about outright number of seats. it's about how the vote gets split. you don't see the bookies making markets in that. profondo asbo
  • Score: 0

11:31pm Sun 31 Aug 14

profondo asbo says...

jayman wrote:
Sensible Man wrote:
LABOUR = ROTHERHAM

ROTHERHAM = LABOUR.

How could anyone even CONSIDER voting Labour now that their comrades in Rotherham have shown their true colours - and the "sections" of the population that they are here to protect and represent??

ANYONE BUT LABOUR!!

REMEMBER ROTHERHAM!!!!
I think you will find that its not Tory, lib dem or labour that run councils on a day to day basis. its council officers.

Here is an interesting article on the matter.

http://www.theguardi

an.com/society/2014/

aug/26/rotherham-sex

ual-abuse-children
oh how convenient.
[quote][p][bold]jayman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sensible Man[/bold] wrote: LABOUR = ROTHERHAM ROTHERHAM = LABOUR. How could anyone even CONSIDER voting Labour now that their comrades in Rotherham have shown their true colours - and the "sections" of the population that they are here to protect and represent?? ANYONE BUT LABOUR!! REMEMBER ROTHERHAM!!!![/p][/quote]I think you will find that its not Tory, lib dem or labour that run councils on a day to day basis. its council officers. Here is an interesting article on the matter. http://www.theguardi an.com/society/2014/ aug/26/rotherham-sex ual-abuse-children[/p][/quote]oh how convenient. profondo asbo
  • Score: -2

11:41pm Sun 31 Aug 14

profondo asbo says...

Sensible Man wrote:
LABOUR = ROTHERHAM

ROTHERHAM = LABOUR.

How could anyone even CONSIDER voting Labour now that their comrades in Rotherham have shown their true colours - and the "sections" of the population that they are here to protect and represent??

ANYONE BUT LABOUR!!

REMEMBER ROTHERHAM!!!!
it will be forgotten in a week. the left wing media will see to that. must bash israel, must bash israel...
[quote][p][bold]Sensible Man[/bold] wrote: LABOUR = ROTHERHAM ROTHERHAM = LABOUR. How could anyone even CONSIDER voting Labour now that their comrades in Rotherham have shown their true colours - and the "sections" of the population that they are here to protect and represent?? ANYONE BUT LABOUR!! REMEMBER ROTHERHAM!!!![/p][/quote]it will be forgotten in a week. the left wing media will see to that. must bash israel, must bash israel... profondo asbo
  • Score: 0

1:00am Mon 1 Sep 14

jayman says...

profondo asbo wrote:
jayman wrote:
Sensible Man wrote:
LABOUR = ROTHERHAM

ROTHERHAM = LABOUR.

How could anyone even CONSIDER voting Labour now that their comrades in Rotherham have shown their true colours - and the "sections" of the population that they are here to protect and represent??

ANYONE BUT LABOUR!!

REMEMBER ROTHERHAM!!!!
I think you will find that its not Tory, lib dem or labour that run councils on a day to day basis. its council officers.

Here is an interesting article on the matter.

http://www.theguardi


an.com/society/2014/


aug/26/rotherham-sex


ual-abuse-children
oh how convenient.
If you want professional political 'heads of council departments' then we should have them. Pay them a salary. Councillors at present only receive a basic allowance. perhaps we should.

Fact of the matter is, the councillors you vote for are not the ones actually running the show. Its council officers (civil servants) who do the donkey work. perhaps the whole system needs some sunlight.
[quote][p][bold]profondo asbo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jayman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sensible Man[/bold] wrote: LABOUR = ROTHERHAM ROTHERHAM = LABOUR. How could anyone even CONSIDER voting Labour now that their comrades in Rotherham have shown their true colours - and the "sections" of the population that they are here to protect and represent?? ANYONE BUT LABOUR!! REMEMBER ROTHERHAM!!!![/p][/quote]I think you will find that its not Tory, lib dem or labour that run councils on a day to day basis. its council officers. Here is an interesting article on the matter. http://www.theguardi an.com/society/2014/ aug/26/rotherham-sex ual-abuse-children[/p][/quote]oh how convenient.[/p][/quote]If you want professional political 'heads of council departments' then we should have them. Pay them a salary. Councillors at present only receive a basic allowance. perhaps we should. Fact of the matter is, the councillors you vote for are not the ones actually running the show. Its council officers (civil servants) who do the donkey work. perhaps the whole system needs some sunlight. jayman
  • Score: 0

1:12am Mon 1 Sep 14

ORACUS says...

EU Exports for June 2014 £12.1 billion.
EU Imports for June 2014 £18.3 billion.
The fact is the EU needs us far more than we need them.
If we are going to carry them it needs to be on our terms.
EU Exports for June 2014 £12.1 billion. EU Imports for June 2014 £18.3 billion. The fact is the EU needs us far more than we need them. If we are going to carry them it needs to be on our terms. ORACUS
  • Score: 1

8:54am Mon 1 Sep 14

profondo asbo says...

jayman wrote:
profondo asbo wrote:
jayman wrote:
Sensible Man wrote:
LABOUR = ROTHERHAM

ROTHERHAM = LABOUR.

How could anyone even CONSIDER voting Labour now that their comrades in Rotherham have shown their true colours - and the "sections" of the population that they are here to protect and represent??

ANYONE BUT LABOUR!!

REMEMBER ROTHERHAM!!!!
I think you will find that its not Tory, lib dem or labour that run councils on a day to day basis. its council officers.

Here is an interesting article on the matter.

http://www.theguardi



an.com/society/2014/



aug/26/rotherham-sex



ual-abuse-children
oh how convenient.
If you want professional political 'heads of council departments' then we should have them. Pay them a salary. Councillors at present only receive a basic allowance. perhaps we should.

Fact of the matter is, the councillors you vote for are not the ones actually running the show. Its council officers (civil servants) who do the donkey work. perhaps the whole system needs some sunlight.
let's not forget the chief of police.
[quote][p][bold]jayman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]profondo asbo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jayman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sensible Man[/bold] wrote: LABOUR = ROTHERHAM ROTHERHAM = LABOUR. How could anyone even CONSIDER voting Labour now that their comrades in Rotherham have shown their true colours - and the "sections" of the population that they are here to protect and represent?? ANYONE BUT LABOUR!! REMEMBER ROTHERHAM!!!![/p][/quote]I think you will find that its not Tory, lib dem or labour that run councils on a day to day basis. its council officers. Here is an interesting article on the matter. http://www.theguardi an.com/society/2014/ aug/26/rotherham-sex ual-abuse-children[/p][/quote]oh how convenient.[/p][/quote]If you want professional political 'heads of council departments' then we should have them. Pay them a salary. Councillors at present only receive a basic allowance. perhaps we should. Fact of the matter is, the councillors you vote for are not the ones actually running the show. Its council officers (civil servants) who do the donkey work. perhaps the whole system needs some sunlight.[/p][/quote]let's not forget the chief of police. profondo asbo
  • Score: 0

8:56am Mon 1 Sep 14

profondo asbo says...

ORACUS wrote:
EU Exports for June 2014 £12.1 billion.
EU Imports for June 2014 £18.3 billion.
The fact is the EU needs us far more than we need them.
If we are going to carry them it needs to be on our terms.
where are all those eu apologists who were telling us net migration was moving in the right direction last year?
[quote][p][bold]ORACUS[/bold] wrote: EU Exports for June 2014 £12.1 billion. EU Imports for June 2014 £18.3 billion. The fact is the EU needs us far more than we need them. If we are going to carry them it needs to be on our terms.[/p][/quote]where are all those eu apologists who were telling us net migration was moving in the right direction last year? profondo asbo
  • Score: 1

9:47am Mon 1 Sep 14

jayman says...

ORACUS wrote:
EU Exports for June 2014 £12.1 billion.
EU Imports for June 2014 £18.3 billion.
The fact is the EU needs us far more than we need them.
If we are going to carry them it needs to be on our terms.
We need to re-negotiate our position with the EU. If we leave the EU not only will our export markets plummet but the subsidies UK industry and business receive from the EU will too.

I don't think that David Cameron or George Osborne et al are the appropriate agents for negotiating our position with the EU. partly because they don't have much of a hand to play but mostly because the have a habit of p1$$ing everyone they come into contact with, off.

Imagine if David Cameron or George Osborne where running the Scottish independence, better together campaign. Is it their insincere delivery? or perhaps it that 'dead behind the eyes' look that one develops if they have spent a long period of time with right-wing thoughts rattling around inside their heads? thank god they delegated that task...
[quote][p][bold]ORACUS[/bold] wrote: EU Exports for June 2014 £12.1 billion. EU Imports for June 2014 £18.3 billion. The fact is the EU needs us far more than we need them. If we are going to carry them it needs to be on our terms.[/p][/quote]We need to re-negotiate our position with the EU. If we leave the EU not only will our export markets plummet but the subsidies UK industry and business receive from the EU will too. I don't think that David Cameron or George Osborne et al are the appropriate agents for negotiating our position with the EU. partly because they don't have much of a hand to play but mostly because the have a habit of p1$$ing everyone they come into contact with, off. Imagine if David Cameron or George Osborne where running the Scottish independence, better together campaign. Is it their insincere delivery? or perhaps it that 'dead behind the eyes' look that one develops if they have spent a long period of time with right-wing thoughts rattling around inside their heads? thank god they delegated that task... jayman
  • Score: -1

10:11am Mon 1 Sep 14

profondo asbo says...

jayman wrote:
ORACUS wrote:
EU Exports for June 2014 £12.1 billion.
EU Imports for June 2014 £18.3 billion.
The fact is the EU needs us far more than we need them.
If we are going to carry them it needs to be on our terms.
We need to re-negotiate our position with the EU. If we leave the EU not only will our export markets plummet but the subsidies UK industry and business receive from the EU will too.

I don't think that David Cameron or George Osborne et al are the appropriate agents for negotiating our position with the EU. partly because they don't have much of a hand to play but mostly because the have a habit of p1$$ing everyone they come into contact with, off.

Imagine if David Cameron or George Osborne where running the Scottish independence, better together campaign. Is it their insincere delivery? or perhaps it that 'dead behind the eyes' look that one develops if they have spent a long period of time with right-wing thoughts rattling around inside their heads? thank god they delegated that task...
the previous poster pointed out the key flaw in your argument. export markets would not plummet. net imports are greater than net exports. membership of the eu net of any subsidies costs the uk £10bio per annum.
[quote][p][bold]jayman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ORACUS[/bold] wrote: EU Exports for June 2014 £12.1 billion. EU Imports for June 2014 £18.3 billion. The fact is the EU needs us far more than we need them. If we are going to carry them it needs to be on our terms.[/p][/quote]We need to re-negotiate our position with the EU. If we leave the EU not only will our export markets plummet but the subsidies UK industry and business receive from the EU will too. I don't think that David Cameron or George Osborne et al are the appropriate agents for negotiating our position with the EU. partly because they don't have much of a hand to play but mostly because the have a habit of p1$$ing everyone they come into contact with, off. Imagine if David Cameron or George Osborne where running the Scottish independence, better together campaign. Is it their insincere delivery? or perhaps it that 'dead behind the eyes' look that one develops if they have spent a long period of time with right-wing thoughts rattling around inside their heads? thank god they delegated that task...[/p][/quote]the previous poster pointed out the key flaw in your argument. export markets would not plummet. net imports are greater than net exports. membership of the eu net of any subsidies costs the uk £10bio per annum. profondo asbo
  • Score: 3

10:42am Mon 1 Sep 14

jayman says...

profondo asbo wrote:
jayman wrote:
ORACUS wrote:
EU Exports for June 2014 £12.1 billion.
EU Imports for June 2014 £18.3 billion.
The fact is the EU needs us far more than we need them.
If we are going to carry them it needs to be on our terms.
We need to re-negotiate our position with the EU. If we leave the EU not only will our export markets plummet but the subsidies UK industry and business receive from the EU will too.

I don't think that David Cameron or George Osborne et al are the appropriate agents for negotiating our position with the EU. partly because they don't have much of a hand to play but mostly because the have a habit of p1$$ing everyone they come into contact with, off.

Imagine if David Cameron or George Osborne where running the Scottish independence, better together campaign. Is it their insincere delivery? or perhaps it that 'dead behind the eyes' look that one develops if they have spent a long period of time with right-wing thoughts rattling around inside their heads? thank god they delegated that task...
the previous poster pointed out the key flaw in your argument. export markets would not plummet. net imports are greater than net exports. membership of the eu net of any subsidies costs the uk £10bio per annum.
But the markets are 'free' you couldn't ask private enterprise to produce goods for the domestic market and to 'export only'

The UK's workforce is massively underpaid. of course the UK is going to import cheaper goods.

The EU trade deals are just a series of open markets that UK businesses can export too. the problem is that our domestic market is importing and selling toot from china and the emerging non-EU markets. china and the emerging markets are blocking imports from the UK and elsewhere.
[quote][p][bold]profondo asbo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jayman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ORACUS[/bold] wrote: EU Exports for June 2014 £12.1 billion. EU Imports for June 2014 £18.3 billion. The fact is the EU needs us far more than we need them. If we are going to carry them it needs to be on our terms.[/p][/quote]We need to re-negotiate our position with the EU. If we leave the EU not only will our export markets plummet but the subsidies UK industry and business receive from the EU will too. I don't think that David Cameron or George Osborne et al are the appropriate agents for negotiating our position with the EU. partly because they don't have much of a hand to play but mostly because the have a habit of p1$$ing everyone they come into contact with, off. Imagine if David Cameron or George Osborne where running the Scottish independence, better together campaign. Is it their insincere delivery? or perhaps it that 'dead behind the eyes' look that one develops if they have spent a long period of time with right-wing thoughts rattling around inside their heads? thank god they delegated that task...[/p][/quote]the previous poster pointed out the key flaw in your argument. export markets would not plummet. net imports are greater than net exports. membership of the eu net of any subsidies costs the uk £10bio per annum.[/p][/quote]But the markets are 'free' you couldn't ask private enterprise to produce goods for the domestic market and to 'export only' The UK's workforce is massively underpaid. of course the UK is going to import cheaper goods. The EU trade deals are just a series of open markets that UK businesses can export too. the problem is that our domestic market is importing and selling toot from china and the emerging non-EU markets. china and the emerging markets are blocking imports from the UK and elsewhere. jayman
  • Score: -1

12:40pm Mon 1 Sep 14

profondo asbo says...

jayman wrote:
profondo asbo wrote:
jayman wrote:
ORACUS wrote:
EU Exports for June 2014 £12.1 billion.
EU Imports for June 2014 £18.3 billion.
The fact is the EU needs us far more than we need them.
If we are going to carry them it needs to be on our terms.
We need to re-negotiate our position with the EU. If we leave the EU not only will our export markets plummet but the subsidies UK industry and business receive from the EU will too.

I don't think that David Cameron or George Osborne et al are the appropriate agents for negotiating our position with the EU. partly because they don't have much of a hand to play but mostly because the have a habit of p1$$ing everyone they come into contact with, off.

Imagine if David Cameron or George Osborne where running the Scottish independence, better together campaign. Is it their insincere delivery? or perhaps it that 'dead behind the eyes' look that one develops if they have spent a long period of time with right-wing thoughts rattling around inside their heads? thank god they delegated that task...
the previous poster pointed out the key flaw in your argument. export markets would not plummet. net imports are greater than net exports. membership of the eu net of any subsidies costs the uk £10bio per annum.
But the markets are 'free' you couldn't ask private enterprise to produce goods for the domestic market and to 'export only'

The UK's workforce is massively underpaid. of course the UK is going to import cheaper goods.

The EU trade deals are just a series of open markets that UK businesses can export too. the problem is that our domestic market is importing and selling toot from china and the emerging non-EU markets. china and the emerging markets are blocking imports from the UK and elsewhere.
you willfully miss the point as usual. why would any trading partner block trade that is mutually beneficial and in this case one in which they benefit more than we do? the answer is they wouldn't.
[quote][p][bold]jayman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]profondo asbo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jayman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ORACUS[/bold] wrote: EU Exports for June 2014 £12.1 billion. EU Imports for June 2014 £18.3 billion. The fact is the EU needs us far more than we need them. If we are going to carry them it needs to be on our terms.[/p][/quote]We need to re-negotiate our position with the EU. If we leave the EU not only will our export markets plummet but the subsidies UK industry and business receive from the EU will too. I don't think that David Cameron or George Osborne et al are the appropriate agents for negotiating our position with the EU. partly because they don't have much of a hand to play but mostly because the have a habit of p1$$ing everyone they come into contact with, off. Imagine if David Cameron or George Osborne where running the Scottish independence, better together campaign. Is it their insincere delivery? or perhaps it that 'dead behind the eyes' look that one develops if they have spent a long period of time with right-wing thoughts rattling around inside their heads? thank god they delegated that task...[/p][/quote]the previous poster pointed out the key flaw in your argument. export markets would not plummet. net imports are greater than net exports. membership of the eu net of any subsidies costs the uk £10bio per annum.[/p][/quote]But the markets are 'free' you couldn't ask private enterprise to produce goods for the domestic market and to 'export only' The UK's workforce is massively underpaid. of course the UK is going to import cheaper goods. The EU trade deals are just a series of open markets that UK businesses can export too. the problem is that our domestic market is importing and selling toot from china and the emerging non-EU markets. china and the emerging markets are blocking imports from the UK and elsewhere.[/p][/quote]you willfully miss the point as usual. why would any trading partner block trade that is mutually beneficial and in this case one in which they benefit more than we do? the answer is they wouldn't. profondo asbo
  • Score: 3

2:55pm Mon 1 Sep 14

DAGASMAN says...

Jayman is nick clegg im sure of it
Jayman is nick clegg im sure of it DAGASMAN
  • Score: 0

3:53pm Mon 1 Sep 14

jayman says...

profondo asbo wrote:
jayman wrote:
profondo asbo wrote:
jayman wrote:
ORACUS wrote:
EU Exports for June 2014 £12.1 billion.
EU Imports for June 2014 £18.3 billion.
The fact is the EU needs us far more than we need them.
If we are going to carry them it needs to be on our terms.
We need to re-negotiate our position with the EU. If we leave the EU not only will our export markets plummet but the subsidies UK industry and business receive from the EU will too.

I don't think that David Cameron or George Osborne et al are the appropriate agents for negotiating our position with the EU. partly because they don't have much of a hand to play but mostly because the have a habit of p1$$ing everyone they come into contact with, off.

Imagine if David Cameron or George Osborne where running the Scottish independence, better together campaign. Is it their insincere delivery? or perhaps it that 'dead behind the eyes' look that one develops if they have spent a long period of time with right-wing thoughts rattling around inside their heads? thank god they delegated that task...
the previous poster pointed out the key flaw in your argument. export markets would not plummet. net imports are greater than net exports. membership of the eu net of any subsidies costs the uk £10bio per annum.
But the markets are 'free' you couldn't ask private enterprise to produce goods for the domestic market and to 'export only'

The UK's workforce is massively underpaid. of course the UK is going to import cheaper goods.

The EU trade deals are just a series of open markets that UK businesses can export too. the problem is that our domestic market is importing and selling toot from china and the emerging non-EU markets. china and the emerging markets are blocking imports from the UK and elsewhere.
you willfully miss the point as usual. why would any trading partner block trade that is mutually beneficial and in this case one in which they benefit more than we do? the answer is they wouldn't.
UK businesses don't want an exit.

http://www.bbc.co.uk
/news/business-29002
835

and if you understand that this is how UK manufacturing preforms 'with' European trade agreements and subsidies.

http://www.bbc.co.uk
/news/business-29009
651

please tell me how you or UKIP would fill in the trade and market gap?
[quote][p][bold]profondo asbo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jayman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]profondo asbo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jayman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ORACUS[/bold] wrote: EU Exports for June 2014 £12.1 billion. EU Imports for June 2014 £18.3 billion. The fact is the EU needs us far more than we need them. If we are going to carry them it needs to be on our terms.[/p][/quote]We need to re-negotiate our position with the EU. If we leave the EU not only will our export markets plummet but the subsidies UK industry and business receive from the EU will too. I don't think that David Cameron or George Osborne et al are the appropriate agents for negotiating our position with the EU. partly because they don't have much of a hand to play but mostly because the have a habit of p1$$ing everyone they come into contact with, off. Imagine if David Cameron or George Osborne where running the Scottish independence, better together campaign. Is it their insincere delivery? or perhaps it that 'dead behind the eyes' look that one develops if they have spent a long period of time with right-wing thoughts rattling around inside their heads? thank god they delegated that task...[/p][/quote]the previous poster pointed out the key flaw in your argument. export markets would not plummet. net imports are greater than net exports. membership of the eu net of any subsidies costs the uk £10bio per annum.[/p][/quote]But the markets are 'free' you couldn't ask private enterprise to produce goods for the domestic market and to 'export only' The UK's workforce is massively underpaid. of course the UK is going to import cheaper goods. The EU trade deals are just a series of open markets that UK businesses can export too. the problem is that our domestic market is importing and selling toot from china and the emerging non-EU markets. china and the emerging markets are blocking imports from the UK and elsewhere.[/p][/quote]you willfully miss the point as usual. why would any trading partner block trade that is mutually beneficial and in this case one in which they benefit more than we do? the answer is they wouldn't.[/p][/quote]UK businesses don't want an exit. http://www.bbc.co.uk /news/business-29002 835 and if you understand that this is how UK manufacturing preforms 'with' European trade agreements and subsidies. http://www.bbc.co.uk /news/business-29009 651 please tell me how you or UKIP would fill in the trade and market gap? jayman
  • Score: -2

4:05pm Mon 1 Sep 14

profondo asbo says...

jayman wrote:
profondo asbo wrote:
jayman wrote:
profondo asbo wrote:
jayman wrote:
ORACUS wrote:
EU Exports for June 2014 £12.1 billion.
EU Imports for June 2014 £18.3 billion.
The fact is the EU needs us far more than we need them.
If we are going to carry them it needs to be on our terms.
We need to re-negotiate our position with the EU. If we leave the EU not only will our export markets plummet but the subsidies UK industry and business receive from the EU will too.

I don't think that David Cameron or George Osborne et al are the appropriate agents for negotiating our position with the EU. partly because they don't have much of a hand to play but mostly because the have a habit of p1$$ing everyone they come into contact with, off.

Imagine if David Cameron or George Osborne where running the Scottish independence, better together campaign. Is it their insincere delivery? or perhaps it that 'dead behind the eyes' look that one develops if they have spent a long period of time with right-wing thoughts rattling around inside their heads? thank god they delegated that task...
the previous poster pointed out the key flaw in your argument. export markets would not plummet. net imports are greater than net exports. membership of the eu net of any subsidies costs the uk £10bio per annum.
But the markets are 'free' you couldn't ask private enterprise to produce goods for the domestic market and to 'export only'

The UK's workforce is massively underpaid. of course the UK is going to import cheaper goods.

The EU trade deals are just a series of open markets that UK businesses can export too. the problem is that our domestic market is importing and selling toot from china and the emerging non-EU markets. china and the emerging markets are blocking imports from the UK and elsewhere.
you willfully miss the point as usual. why would any trading partner block trade that is mutually beneficial and in this case one in which they benefit more than we do? the answer is they wouldn't.
UK businesses don't want an exit.

http://www.bbc.co.uk

/news/business-29002

835

and if you understand that this is how UK manufacturing preforms 'with' European trade agreements and subsidies.

http://www.bbc.co.uk

/news/business-29009

651

please tell me how you or UKIP would fill in the trade and market gap?
anyone who expects the eu to roll over to our demands is dreaming. renegotiation is a stalling tactic put forward by the eu apparatchiks. businesses can go hang frankly. who are the companies polled anyway...at a guess they're big users of imported eu slave labour?

there will be no trade gap to fill as our trading relationship will not change.
[quote][p][bold]jayman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]profondo asbo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jayman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]profondo asbo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jayman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ORACUS[/bold] wrote: EU Exports for June 2014 £12.1 billion. EU Imports for June 2014 £18.3 billion. The fact is the EU needs us far more than we need them. If we are going to carry them it needs to be on our terms.[/p][/quote]We need to re-negotiate our position with the EU. If we leave the EU not only will our export markets plummet but the subsidies UK industry and business receive from the EU will too. I don't think that David Cameron or George Osborne et al are the appropriate agents for negotiating our position with the EU. partly because they don't have much of a hand to play but mostly because the have a habit of p1$$ing everyone they come into contact with, off. Imagine if David Cameron or George Osborne where running the Scottish independence, better together campaign. Is it their insincere delivery? or perhaps it that 'dead behind the eyes' look that one develops if they have spent a long period of time with right-wing thoughts rattling around inside their heads? thank god they delegated that task...[/p][/quote]the previous poster pointed out the key flaw in your argument. export markets would not plummet. net imports are greater than net exports. membership of the eu net of any subsidies costs the uk £10bio per annum.[/p][/quote]But the markets are 'free' you couldn't ask private enterprise to produce goods for the domestic market and to 'export only' The UK's workforce is massively underpaid. of course the UK is going to import cheaper goods. The EU trade deals are just a series of open markets that UK businesses can export too. the problem is that our domestic market is importing and selling toot from china and the emerging non-EU markets. china and the emerging markets are blocking imports from the UK and elsewhere.[/p][/quote]you willfully miss the point as usual. why would any trading partner block trade that is mutually beneficial and in this case one in which they benefit more than we do? the answer is they wouldn't.[/p][/quote]UK businesses don't want an exit. http://www.bbc.co.uk /news/business-29002 835 and if you understand that this is how UK manufacturing preforms 'with' European trade agreements and subsidies. http://www.bbc.co.uk /news/business-29009 651 please tell me how you or UKIP would fill in the trade and market gap?[/p][/quote]anyone who expects the eu to roll over to our demands is dreaming. renegotiation is a stalling tactic put forward by the eu apparatchiks. businesses can go hang frankly. who are the companies polled anyway...at a guess they're big users of imported eu slave labour? there will be no trade gap to fill as our trading relationship will not change. profondo asbo
  • Score: 1

4:15pm Mon 1 Sep 14

jayman says...

profondo asbo wrote:
jayman wrote:
profondo asbo wrote:
jayman wrote:
profondo asbo wrote:
jayman wrote:
ORACUS wrote:
EU Exports for June 2014 £12.1 billion.
EU Imports for June 2014 £18.3 billion.
The fact is the EU needs us far more than we need them.
If we are going to carry them it needs to be on our terms.
We need to re-negotiate our position with the EU. If we leave the EU not only will our export markets plummet but the subsidies UK industry and business receive from the EU will too.

I don't think that David Cameron or George Osborne et al are the appropriate agents for negotiating our position with the EU. partly because they don't have much of a hand to play but mostly because the have a habit of p1$$ing everyone they come into contact with, off.

Imagine if David Cameron or George Osborne where running the Scottish independence, better together campaign. Is it their insincere delivery? or perhaps it that 'dead behind the eyes' look that one develops if they have spent a long period of time with right-wing thoughts rattling around inside their heads? thank god they delegated that task...
the previous poster pointed out the key flaw in your argument. export markets would not plummet. net imports are greater than net exports. membership of the eu net of any subsidies costs the uk £10bio per annum.
But the markets are 'free' you couldn't ask private enterprise to produce goods for the domestic market and to 'export only'

The UK's workforce is massively underpaid. of course the UK is going to import cheaper goods.

The EU trade deals are just a series of open markets that UK businesses can export too. the problem is that our domestic market is importing and selling toot from china and the emerging non-EU markets. china and the emerging markets are blocking imports from the UK and elsewhere.
you willfully miss the point as usual. why would any trading partner block trade that is mutually beneficial and in this case one in which they benefit more than we do? the answer is they wouldn't.
UK businesses don't want an exit.

http://www.bbc.co.uk


/news/business-29002


835

and if you understand that this is how UK manufacturing preforms 'with' European trade agreements and subsidies.

http://www.bbc.co.uk


/news/business-29009


651

please tell me how you or UKIP would fill in the trade and market gap?
anyone who expects the eu to roll over to our demands is dreaming. renegotiation is a stalling tactic put forward by the eu apparatchiks. businesses can go hang frankly. who are the companies polled anyway...at a guess they're big users of imported eu slave labour?

there will be no trade gap to fill as our trading relationship will not change.
I'm afraid it would. Fundamentally, being a part of Europe means that our goods that we export to Europe don't incur this.

http://ec.europa.eu/
taxation_customs/cus
toms/customs_duties/
tariff_aspects/index
_en.htm
[quote][p][bold]profondo asbo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jayman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]profondo asbo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jayman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]profondo asbo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jayman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ORACUS[/bold] wrote: EU Exports for June 2014 £12.1 billion. EU Imports for June 2014 £18.3 billion. The fact is the EU needs us far more than we need them. If we are going to carry them it needs to be on our terms.[/p][/quote]We need to re-negotiate our position with the EU. If we leave the EU not only will our export markets plummet but the subsidies UK industry and business receive from the EU will too. I don't think that David Cameron or George Osborne et al are the appropriate agents for negotiating our position with the EU. partly because they don't have much of a hand to play but mostly because the have a habit of p1$$ing everyone they come into contact with, off. Imagine if David Cameron or George Osborne where running the Scottish independence, better together campaign. Is it their insincere delivery? or perhaps it that 'dead behind the eyes' look that one develops if they have spent a long period of time with right-wing thoughts rattling around inside their heads? thank god they delegated that task...[/p][/quote]the previous poster pointed out the key flaw in your argument. export markets would not plummet. net imports are greater than net exports. membership of the eu net of any subsidies costs the uk £10bio per annum.[/p][/quote]But the markets are 'free' you couldn't ask private enterprise to produce goods for the domestic market and to 'export only' The UK's workforce is massively underpaid. of course the UK is going to import cheaper goods. The EU trade deals are just a series of open markets that UK businesses can export too. the problem is that our domestic market is importing and selling toot from china and the emerging non-EU markets. china and the emerging markets are blocking imports from the UK and elsewhere.[/p][/quote]you willfully miss the point as usual. why would any trading partner block trade that is mutually beneficial and in this case one in which they benefit more than we do? the answer is they wouldn't.[/p][/quote]UK businesses don't want an exit. http://www.bbc.co.uk /news/business-29002 835 and if you understand that this is how UK manufacturing preforms 'with' European trade agreements and subsidies. http://www.bbc.co.uk /news/business-29009 651 please tell me how you or UKIP would fill in the trade and market gap?[/p][/quote]anyone who expects the eu to roll over to our demands is dreaming. renegotiation is a stalling tactic put forward by the eu apparatchiks. businesses can go hang frankly. who are the companies polled anyway...at a guess they're big users of imported eu slave labour? there will be no trade gap to fill as our trading relationship will not change.[/p][/quote]I'm afraid it would. Fundamentally, being a part of Europe means that our goods that we export to Europe don't incur this. http://ec.europa.eu/ taxation_customs/cus toms/customs_duties/ tariff_aspects/index _en.htm jayman
  • Score: -2

5:21pm Mon 1 Sep 14

profondo asbo says...

jayman wrote:
profondo asbo wrote:
jayman wrote:
profondo asbo wrote:
jayman wrote:
profondo asbo wrote:
jayman wrote:
ORACUS wrote:
EU Exports for June 2014 £12.1 billion.
EU Imports for June 2014 £18.3 billion.
The fact is the EU needs us far more than we need them.
If we are going to carry them it needs to be on our terms.
We need to re-negotiate our position with the EU. If we leave the EU not only will our export markets plummet but the subsidies UK industry and business receive from the EU will too.

I don't think that David Cameron or George Osborne et al are the appropriate agents for negotiating our position with the EU. partly because they don't have much of a hand to play but mostly because the have a habit of p1$$ing everyone they come into contact with, off.

Imagine if David Cameron or George Osborne where running the Scottish independence, better together campaign. Is it their insincere delivery? or perhaps it that 'dead behind the eyes' look that one develops if they have spent a long period of time with right-wing thoughts rattling around inside their heads? thank god they delegated that task...
the previous poster pointed out the key flaw in your argument. export markets would not plummet. net imports are greater than net exports. membership of the eu net of any subsidies costs the uk £10bio per annum.
But the markets are 'free' you couldn't ask private enterprise to produce goods for the domestic market and to 'export only'

The UK's workforce is massively underpaid. of course the UK is going to import cheaper goods.

The EU trade deals are just a series of open markets that UK businesses can export too. the problem is that our domestic market is importing and selling toot from china and the emerging non-EU markets. china and the emerging markets are blocking imports from the UK and elsewhere.
you willfully miss the point as usual. why would any trading partner block trade that is mutually beneficial and in this case one in which they benefit more than we do? the answer is they wouldn't.
UK businesses don't want an exit.

http://www.bbc.co.uk



/news/business-29002



835

and if you understand that this is how UK manufacturing preforms 'with' European trade agreements and subsidies.

http://www.bbc.co.uk



/news/business-29009



651

please tell me how you or UKIP would fill in the trade and market gap?
anyone who expects the eu to roll over to our demands is dreaming. renegotiation is a stalling tactic put forward by the eu apparatchiks. businesses can go hang frankly. who are the companies polled anyway...at a guess they're big users of imported eu slave labour?

there will be no trade gap to fill as our trading relationship will not change.
I'm afraid it would. Fundamentally, being a part of Europe means that our goods that we export to Europe don't incur this.

http://ec.europa.eu/

taxation_customs/cus

toms/customs_duties/

tariff_aspects/index

_en.htm
don't be so naive.

http://blogs.telegra
ph.co.uk/news/daniel
hannan/100186074/the
-eu-is-not-a-free-tr
ade-area-but-a-custo
ms-union-until-we-un
derstand-the-differe
nce-the-debate-about
-our-membership-is-m
eaningless/
[quote][p][bold]jayman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]profondo asbo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jayman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]profondo asbo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jayman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]profondo asbo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jayman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ORACUS[/bold] wrote: EU Exports for June 2014 £12.1 billion. EU Imports for June 2014 £18.3 billion. The fact is the EU needs us far more than we need them. If we are going to carry them it needs to be on our terms.[/p][/quote]We need to re-negotiate our position with the EU. If we leave the EU not only will our export markets plummet but the subsidies UK industry and business receive from the EU will too. I don't think that David Cameron or George Osborne et al are the appropriate agents for negotiating our position with the EU. partly because they don't have much of a hand to play but mostly because the have a habit of p1$$ing everyone they come into contact with, off. Imagine if David Cameron or George Osborne where running the Scottish independence, better together campaign. Is it their insincere delivery? or perhaps it that 'dead behind the eyes' look that one develops if they have spent a long period of time with right-wing thoughts rattling around inside their heads? thank god they delegated that task...[/p][/quote]the previous poster pointed out the key flaw in your argument. export markets would not plummet. net imports are greater than net exports. membership of the eu net of any subsidies costs the uk £10bio per annum.[/p][/quote]But the markets are 'free' you couldn't ask private enterprise to produce goods for the domestic market and to 'export only' The UK's workforce is massively underpaid. of course the UK is going to import cheaper goods. The EU trade deals are just a series of open markets that UK businesses can export too. the problem is that our domestic market is importing and selling toot from china and the emerging non-EU markets. china and the emerging markets are blocking imports from the UK and elsewhere.[/p][/quote]you willfully miss the point as usual. why would any trading partner block trade that is mutually beneficial and in this case one in which they benefit more than we do? the answer is they wouldn't.[/p][/quote]UK businesses don't want an exit. http://www.bbc.co.uk /news/business-29002 835 and if you understand that this is how UK manufacturing preforms 'with' European trade agreements and subsidies. http://www.bbc.co.uk /news/business-29009 651 please tell me how you or UKIP would fill in the trade and market gap?[/p][/quote]anyone who expects the eu to roll over to our demands is dreaming. renegotiation is a stalling tactic put forward by the eu apparatchiks. businesses can go hang frankly. who are the companies polled anyway...at a guess they're big users of imported eu slave labour? there will be no trade gap to fill as our trading relationship will not change.[/p][/quote]I'm afraid it would. Fundamentally, being a part of Europe means that our goods that we export to Europe don't incur this. http://ec.europa.eu/ taxation_customs/cus toms/customs_duties/ tariff_aspects/index _en.htm[/p][/quote]don't be so naive. http://blogs.telegra ph.co.uk/news/daniel hannan/100186074/the -eu-is-not-a-free-tr ade-area-but-a-custo ms-union-until-we-un derstand-the-differe nce-the-debate-about -our-membership-is-m eaningless/ profondo asbo
  • Score: 2

7:15pm Mon 1 Sep 14

jayman says...

profondo asbo wrote:
jayman wrote:
profondo asbo wrote:
jayman wrote:
profondo asbo wrote:
jayman wrote:
profondo asbo wrote:
jayman wrote:
ORACUS wrote:
EU Exports for June 2014 £12.1 billion.
EU Imports for June 2014 £18.3 billion.
The fact is the EU needs us far more than we need them.
If we are going to carry them it needs to be on our terms.
We need to re-negotiate our position with the EU. If we leave the EU not only will our export markets plummet but the subsidies UK industry and business receive from the EU will too.

I don't think that David Cameron or George Osborne et al are the appropriate agents for negotiating our position with the EU. partly because they don't have much of a hand to play but mostly because the have a habit of p1$$ing everyone they come into contact with, off.

Imagine if David Cameron or George Osborne where running the Scottish independence, better together campaign. Is it their insincere delivery? or perhaps it that 'dead behind the eyes' look that one develops if they have spent a long period of time with right-wing thoughts rattling around inside their heads? thank god they delegated that task...
the previous poster pointed out the key flaw in your argument. export markets would not plummet. net imports are greater than net exports. membership of the eu net of any subsidies costs the uk £10bio per annum.
But the markets are 'free' you couldn't ask private enterprise to produce goods for the domestic market and to 'export only'

The UK's workforce is massively underpaid. of course the UK is going to import cheaper goods.

The EU trade deals are just a series of open markets that UK businesses can export too. the problem is that our domestic market is importing and selling toot from china and the emerging non-EU markets. china and the emerging markets are blocking imports from the UK and elsewhere.
you willfully miss the point as usual. why would any trading partner block trade that is mutually beneficial and in this case one in which they benefit more than we do? the answer is they wouldn't.
UK businesses don't want an exit.

http://www.bbc.co.uk




/news/business-29002




835

and if you understand that this is how UK manufacturing preforms 'with' European trade agreements and subsidies.

http://www.bbc.co.uk




/news/business-29009




651

please tell me how you or UKIP would fill in the trade and market gap?
anyone who expects the eu to roll over to our demands is dreaming. renegotiation is a stalling tactic put forward by the eu apparatchiks. businesses can go hang frankly. who are the companies polled anyway...at a guess they're big users of imported eu slave labour?

there will be no trade gap to fill as our trading relationship will not change.
I'm afraid it would. Fundamentally, being a part of Europe means that our goods that we export to Europe don't incur this.

http://ec.europa.eu/


taxation_customs/cus


toms/customs_duties/


tariff_aspects/index


_en.htm
don't be so naive.

http://blogs.telegra

ph.co.uk/news/daniel

hannan/100186074/the

-eu-is-not-a-free-tr

ade-area-but-a-custo

ms-union-until-we-un

derstand-the-differe

nce-the-debate-about

-our-membership-is-m

eaningless/
That is not strictly evidence to support your view. that's a two year old telegraph blog. I disagree with Daniel Hannan's conclusion but agree with his analysis. the EU requires reform to make it more democratic and more transparent.
[quote][p][bold]profondo asbo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jayman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]profondo asbo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jayman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]profondo asbo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jayman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]profondo asbo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jayman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ORACUS[/bold] wrote: EU Exports for June 2014 £12.1 billion. EU Imports for June 2014 £18.3 billion. The fact is the EU needs us far more than we need them. If we are going to carry them it needs to be on our terms.[/p][/quote]We need to re-negotiate our position with the EU. If we leave the EU not only will our export markets plummet but the subsidies UK industry and business receive from the EU will too. I don't think that David Cameron or George Osborne et al are the appropriate agents for negotiating our position with the EU. partly because they don't have much of a hand to play but mostly because the have a habit of p1$$ing everyone they come into contact with, off. Imagine if David Cameron or George Osborne where running the Scottish independence, better together campaign. Is it their insincere delivery? or perhaps it that 'dead behind the eyes' look that one develops if they have spent a long period of time with right-wing thoughts rattling around inside their heads? thank god they delegated that task...[/p][/quote]the previous poster pointed out the key flaw in your argument. export markets would not plummet. net imports are greater than net exports. membership of the eu net of any subsidies costs the uk £10bio per annum.[/p][/quote]But the markets are 'free' you couldn't ask private enterprise to produce goods for the domestic market and to 'export only' The UK's workforce is massively underpaid. of course the UK is going to import cheaper goods. The EU trade deals are just a series of open markets that UK businesses can export too. the problem is that our domestic market is importing and selling toot from china and the emerging non-EU markets. china and the emerging markets are blocking imports from the UK and elsewhere.[/p][/quote]you willfully miss the point as usual. why would any trading partner block trade that is mutually beneficial and in this case one in which they benefit more than we do? the answer is they wouldn't.[/p][/quote]UK businesses don't want an exit. http://www.bbc.co.uk /news/business-29002 835 and if you understand that this is how UK manufacturing preforms 'with' European trade agreements and subsidies. http://www.bbc.co.uk /news/business-29009 651 please tell me how you or UKIP would fill in the trade and market gap?[/p][/quote]anyone who expects the eu to roll over to our demands is dreaming. renegotiation is a stalling tactic put forward by the eu apparatchiks. businesses can go hang frankly. who are the companies polled anyway...at a guess they're big users of imported eu slave labour? there will be no trade gap to fill as our trading relationship will not change.[/p][/quote]I'm afraid it would. Fundamentally, being a part of Europe means that our goods that we export to Europe don't incur this. http://ec.europa.eu/ taxation_customs/cus toms/customs_duties/ tariff_aspects/index _en.htm[/p][/quote]don't be so naive. http://blogs.telegra ph.co.uk/news/daniel hannan/100186074/the -eu-is-not-a-free-tr ade-area-but-a-custo ms-union-until-we-un derstand-the-differe nce-the-debate-about -our-membership-is-m eaningless/[/p][/quote]That is not strictly evidence to support your view. that's a two year old telegraph blog. I disagree with Daniel Hannan's conclusion but agree with his analysis. the EU requires reform to make it more democratic and more transparent. jayman
  • Score: -3

7:21pm Mon 1 Sep 14

profondo asbo says...

jayman wrote:
profondo asbo wrote:
jayman wrote:
profondo asbo wrote:
jayman wrote:
profondo asbo wrote:
jayman wrote:
profondo asbo wrote:
jayman wrote:
ORACUS wrote:
EU Exports for June 2014 £12.1 billion.
EU Imports for June 2014 £18.3 billion.
The fact is the EU needs us far more than we need them.
If we are going to carry them it needs to be on our terms.
We need to re-negotiate our position with the EU. If we leave the EU not only will our export markets plummet but the subsidies UK industry and business receive from the EU will too.

I don't think that David Cameron or George Osborne et al are the appropriate agents for negotiating our position with the EU. partly because they don't have much of a hand to play but mostly because the have a habit of p1$$ing everyone they come into contact with, off.

Imagine if David Cameron or George Osborne where running the Scottish independence, better together campaign. Is it their insincere delivery? or perhaps it that 'dead behind the eyes' look that one develops if they have spent a long period of time with right-wing thoughts rattling around inside their heads? thank god they delegated that task...
the previous poster pointed out the key flaw in your argument. export markets would not plummet. net imports are greater than net exports. membership of the eu net of any subsidies costs the uk £10bio per annum.
But the markets are 'free' you couldn't ask private enterprise to produce goods for the domestic market and to 'export only'

The UK's workforce is massively underpaid. of course the UK is going to import cheaper goods.

The EU trade deals are just a series of open markets that UK businesses can export too. the problem is that our domestic market is importing and selling toot from china and the emerging non-EU markets. china and the emerging markets are blocking imports from the UK and elsewhere.
you willfully miss the point as usual. why would any trading partner block trade that is mutually beneficial and in this case one in which they benefit more than we do? the answer is they wouldn't.
UK businesses don't want an exit.

http://www.bbc.co.uk





/news/business-29002





835

and if you understand that this is how UK manufacturing preforms 'with' European trade agreements and subsidies.

http://www.bbc.co.uk





/news/business-29009





651

please tell me how you or UKIP would fill in the trade and market gap?
anyone who expects the eu to roll over to our demands is dreaming. renegotiation is a stalling tactic put forward by the eu apparatchiks. businesses can go hang frankly. who are the companies polled anyway...at a guess they're big users of imported eu slave labour?

there will be no trade gap to fill as our trading relationship will not change.
I'm afraid it would. Fundamentally, being a part of Europe means that our goods that we export to Europe don't incur this.

http://ec.europa.eu/



taxation_customs/cus



toms/customs_duties/



tariff_aspects/index



_en.htm
don't be so naive.

http://blogs.telegra


ph.co.uk/news/daniel


hannan/100186074/the


-eu-is-not-a-free-tr


ade-area-but-a-custo


ms-union-until-we-un


derstand-the-differe


nce-the-debate-about


-our-membership-is-m


eaningless/
That is not strictly evidence to support your view. that's a two year old telegraph blog. I disagree with Daniel Hannan's conclusion but agree with his analysis. the EU requires reform to make it more democratic and more transparent.
is wholesale dismantlement enough of a reform for you?
[quote][p][bold]jayman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]profondo asbo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jayman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]profondo asbo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jayman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]profondo asbo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jayman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]profondo asbo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jayman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ORACUS[/bold] wrote: EU Exports for June 2014 £12.1 billion. EU Imports for June 2014 £18.3 billion. The fact is the EU needs us far more than we need them. If we are going to carry them it needs to be on our terms.[/p][/quote]We need to re-negotiate our position with the EU. If we leave the EU not only will our export markets plummet but the subsidies UK industry and business receive from the EU will too. I don't think that David Cameron or George Osborne et al are the appropriate agents for negotiating our position with the EU. partly because they don't have much of a hand to play but mostly because the have a habit of p1$$ing everyone they come into contact with, off. Imagine if David Cameron or George Osborne where running the Scottish independence, better together campaign. Is it their insincere delivery? or perhaps it that 'dead behind the eyes' look that one develops if they have spent a long period of time with right-wing thoughts rattling around inside their heads? thank god they delegated that task...[/p][/quote]the previous poster pointed out the key flaw in your argument. export markets would not plummet. net imports are greater than net exports. membership of the eu net of any subsidies costs the uk £10bio per annum.[/p][/quote]But the markets are 'free' you couldn't ask private enterprise to produce goods for the domestic market and to 'export only' The UK's workforce is massively underpaid. of course the UK is going to import cheaper goods. The EU trade deals are just a series of open markets that UK businesses can export too. the problem is that our domestic market is importing and selling toot from china and the emerging non-EU markets. china and the emerging markets are blocking imports from the UK and elsewhere.[/p][/quote]you willfully miss the point as usual. why would any trading partner block trade that is mutually beneficial and in this case one in which they benefit more than we do? the answer is they wouldn't.[/p][/quote]UK businesses don't want an exit. http://www.bbc.co.uk /news/business-29002 835 and if you understand that this is how UK manufacturing preforms 'with' European trade agreements and subsidies. http://www.bbc.co.uk /news/business-29009 651 please tell me how you or UKIP would fill in the trade and market gap?[/p][/quote]anyone who expects the eu to roll over to our demands is dreaming. renegotiation is a stalling tactic put forward by the eu apparatchiks. businesses can go hang frankly. who are the companies polled anyway...at a guess they're big users of imported eu slave labour? there will be no trade gap to fill as our trading relationship will not change.[/p][/quote]I'm afraid it would. Fundamentally, being a part of Europe means that our goods that we export to Europe don't incur this. http://ec.europa.eu/ taxation_customs/cus toms/customs_duties/ tariff_aspects/index _en.htm[/p][/quote]don't be so naive. http://blogs.telegra ph.co.uk/news/daniel hannan/100186074/the -eu-is-not-a-free-tr ade-area-but-a-custo ms-union-until-we-un derstand-the-differe nce-the-debate-about -our-membership-is-m eaningless/[/p][/quote]That is not strictly evidence to support your view. that's a two year old telegraph blog. I disagree with Daniel Hannan's conclusion but agree with his analysis. the EU requires reform to make it more democratic and more transparent.[/p][/quote]is wholesale dismantlement enough of a reform for you? profondo asbo
  • Score: 2

10:45pm Mon 1 Sep 14

jayman says...

http://juniusonukip.
blogspot.co.uk/2012/
01/ukip-kim-gandy.ht
ml

for your reading pleasure..
http://juniusonukip. blogspot.co.uk/2012/ 01/ukip-kim-gandy.ht ml for your reading pleasure.. jayman
  • Score: -1

10:52pm Mon 1 Sep 14

jayman says...

http://www.thedailym
ash.co.uk/politics/p
olitics-headlines/uk
ip-manifesto-to-be-m
agic-eye-poster-2014
082289814

another good article on ukip..
http://www.thedailym ash.co.uk/politics/p olitics-headlines/uk ip-manifesto-to-be-m agic-eye-poster-2014 082289814 another good article on ukip.. jayman
  • Score: -1

11:06pm Mon 1 Sep 14

profondo asbo says...

ah so you conceded the intellectual argument. ukip are just a means to an end. quality control is clearly not one of their strengths. ukip are a free market, libertarian political party whereas your sparring partner is a clueless, marxist xenophobe. never the twain should meet.
ah so you conceded the intellectual argument. ukip are just a means to an end. quality control is clearly not one of their strengths. ukip are a free market, libertarian political party whereas your sparring partner is a clueless, marxist xenophobe. never the twain should meet. profondo asbo
  • Score: 1

11:31pm Mon 1 Sep 14

jayman says...

profondo asbo wrote:
ah so you conceded the intellectual argument. ukip are just a means to an end. quality control is clearly not one of their strengths. ukip are a free market, libertarian political party whereas your sparring partner is a clueless, marxist xenophobe. never the twain should meet.
nope.. I just got board of pretending to be having arguments with individuals who have any moral capital. so I thought I would have a bit of fun with a spoof news website. while doing a bit of off southend political research I found these (person or persons) scumbags http://southendpatri
ot.blogspot.co.uk/ I guess this is what I am most opposed to, above all else.
[quote][p][bold]profondo asbo[/bold] wrote: ah so you conceded the intellectual argument. ukip are just a means to an end. quality control is clearly not one of their strengths. ukip are a free market, libertarian political party whereas your sparring partner is a clueless, marxist xenophobe. never the twain should meet.[/p][/quote]nope.. I just got board of pretending to be having arguments with individuals who have any moral capital. so I thought I would have a bit of fun with a spoof news website. while doing a bit of off southend political research I found these (person or persons) scumbags http://southendpatri ot.blogspot.co.uk/ I guess this is what I am most opposed to, above all else. jayman
  • Score: 0

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